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(Message started by: nice_1 on Jan 4^th, 2007, 7:19am)

Title: Are all 24v's Cosworths
Post by nice_1 on Jan 4^th, 2007, 7:19am

Just ordered some cats from CATS DIRECT for my 24v ultima, prompt service. But wrong type. when I phoned them their guy informed me "ah, you must have the cosworth 24v?" I thought all 24v's were cosworth? He informed me Ford made a 24V. is he right ???

Title: Re: Are all 24v's Cosworths
Post by scorpio_man on Jan 4^th, 2007, 7:35am

hi there

maybe he's mixing the scorpio with the granada, but even then, both 24v engines are designed by cosworth (even the 2.3 16valve engine).

hth

Title: Re: Are all 24v's Cosworths
Post by DJWerkz on Jan 4^th, 2007, 8:44am

Maybe he looked at the 24v engine as fitted to the Probe/Galaxy.

Title: Re: Are all 24v's Cosworths
Post by nice_1 on Jan 4^th, 2007, 9:09am

Thanks, Chaps thats what I thought....I didn't want to get on my high horse about it as I wasn't 100 precent. on the facts. They will exchange but its more time, money and inconvenience. thanks again. ;)

Title: Re: Are all 24v's Cosworths
Post by Tony_Bradley on Jan 4^th, 2007, 11:14am

Hi

If you want more performance and have a tame MOT station Cats Direct also a stright through downpipe !

Tony

Title: Re: Are all 24v's Cosworths
Post by Baz on Jan 4^th, 2007, 12:19pm

Tony,

have you got the web address or number for cats direct? Mine has LPG on it so tends to run with very low emissions anyway so would be interested in some straight through pipes

Baz

Title: Re: Are all 24v's Cosworths
Post by Tony_Bradley on Jan 4^th, 2007, 1:37pm

Hi Baz

Try these

http://www.buypartsby.co.uk/cat_display.php

http://www.cats-direct-shop.co.uk

Best Regards

Tony

Title: Re: Are all 24v's Cosworths
Post by scorpio_man on Jan 4^th, 2007, 3:16pm

hi barry

cat bypass pipes make a bit of a difference, but you need a friendly MOT man ;) as the cat (even if empty) needs to be on the car.

only other way is making them swappable. :-/

hth

Title: Re: Are all 24v's Cosworths
Post by TiberiuS on Jan 4^th, 2007, 4:47pm

Was speaking to a friend and he said that cats aren't a compulsory part of the MOT test though many people think they are; as long as the car is healthy it shouldn't have any trouble passing below the limit on emissions...I can't see how but he normally knows what he's talking about. The same thing is also mentioned on an engineering website in this country who supply custom exhausts for classic cars. Apparently the only time a CAT is compulsory is in some states in America where a visual inspection is made...they sell small cosmetic ones for that purpose.

I'm confused, wondered what you chaps thought???

Regards, Bruce ;).

Title: Re: Are all 24v's Cosworths
Post by Highlander on Jan 4^th, 2007, 5:14pm

I dont know for sure but i was under the impression that cars below a certain age had to have them "fitted" even if they were empty

Title: Re: Are all 24v's Cosworths
Post by Snoopy on Jan 4^th, 2007, 9:18pm

Its all here if you need to read up on it MOT (http://www.ukmot.com/manual/6-4.htm)

As I see it as long as it passes the emissions test it does not matter if a c atalyst is fitted or not, but read and make your own decision.

Title: Re: Are all 24v's Cosworths
Post by scorpio_man on Jan 4^th, 2007, 9:30pm

hi there

i go with stuart (highlander) on this one. the way it was told to me by one MOT Tester, it had to be seen to be there.

that's one of the reasons why i use a different one now. ;)

hth

Title: Re: Are all 24v's Cosworths
Post by scorpio_man on Jan 4^th, 2007, 9:55pm

hi there

i've looked at that site you posted snoppy. a few questions were asked about having cats fitted. they say the car only need to meet the emission levels for a pass, but i'm sure i read a MOT manual stating you need to see it fitted on the car. ???

anyone a MOT tester? Martin?

Title: Re: Are all 24v's Cosworths
Post by Tony_Bradley on Jan 4^th, 2007, 9:56pm

Hi all

well with a Cossie 24v with the engine undertrays how can they see the cats ?

Don't think they are viewable are they ?

Best Regards

Tony

Title: Re: Are all 24v's Cosworths
Post by scorpio_man on Jan 4^th, 2007, 10:01pm

hi there

the 'belly plate' only covers the engine. exhaust run down the side(s).

hth

Title: Re: Are all 24v's Cosworths
Post by Tony_Bradley on Jan 4^th, 2007, 10:06pm

HI all

Cut and Paste from Cats Direct with their product Codes.....

FORD SCORPIO 2.0i 16v 10/94-10/97 90372 £78.96 + vat 60372 £172.02 + vat
FORD SCORPIO 2.0i 8v 10/94-10/97 90372 £78.96 + vat 60372 £172.02 + vat
FORD SCORPIO 2.3i 16v 5/96-7/98 90372 £78.96 + vat 60372 £172.02 + vat
FORD SCORPIO 2.9i 12v 1/95-2/99 90338 £80.90 + vat 60338 £135.42 + vat
FORD SCORPIO 2.9i 24v Cosworth 1/95-2/99 (nearside) 90327 £56.75 + vat 60327 £191.04 + vat
FORD SCORPIO 2.9i 24v Cosworth 1/95-2/99 (offside) 90285 £57.36 + vat 60285 £191.04 + vat

I think you have to phone them for straight through pipes but they make them with a Lambda sensor mount to feed the ECU

Hope this helps

Tony

Title: Re: Are all 24v's Cosworths
Post by Tony_Bradley on Jan 4^th, 2007, 10:10pm

Hi

On my cossie there are two plates that go all the way across .... we tries to get at the manifold/cat connection from underneath and couldn't even see it

Tony

Title: Re: Are all 24v's Cosworths
Post by Pam and John on Jan 4^th, 2007, 10:28pm

Re cats: my other V6 (Probe) has passed 2 MOT's with a decat pipe fitted. As far as I know, if it passes the emissions, then it doesn't need one. However, if it fails, then a cat must be fitted before retest. Granted I have an early car with pre cats in down pipe, but know of later models without the precats that pass (just) with a decat pipe.
Just wish er indoors would let me start on the Scorpio ;D

Title: Re: Are all 24v's Cosworths
Post by TiberiuS on Jan 4^th, 2007, 10:39pm

Here's (http://www.jagweb.com/aj6eng/exhaust.php) the site I was talking about, if you read through it says that a cat isn't a compulsory part of the UK MOT and as long as the car is healthy enough it shouldn't put out more emissions than the legal limit for the year of production. So there's a bit of a loophole there about the allowance for the year of production, mabye later cars with cats have a lower allowance than older ones?

And I guess then you get to the problem that some members have had where the car goes borderline on emissions where a cat disintegrates...or is this down to another factor?

There's a lot of talk over on the Jag forums about fitting straight through pipes and getting an extra 20-30bhp out of the standard 4 litre, I'm just curious really...been told it's legal, and told it's not...

Regards, Bruce :).

Title: Re: Are all 24v's Cosworths
Post by DJWerkz on Jan 5^th, 2007, 10:57am

on 01/04/07 at 22:28:28, Pam and John wrote:

That is not what I have been told by two separate MOT testing stations. They say,..."if the car was manufactured with a CAT then it must have a CAT fitted for the MOT test. With the new computerised MOT testing, they have to put the VIN in, this will show whether the car should have a CAT or not."

One guy was very informative about the whole subject when I spoke to him, he said that no car will pass emissions test if you have removed the CAT's when the MOT computer is testing for the same vehicle with CAT's.

Title: Re: Are all 24v's Cosworths
Post by scorpio_man on Jan 5^th, 2007, 11:46am

on 01/04/07 at 22:10:13, Tony_Bradley wrote:

Hi

On my cossie there are two plates that go all the way across .... we tries to get at the manifold/cat connection from underneath and couldn't even see it

Tony

hi tony

any chance of a photo of these two plates? there was talk of two but we've never seen two before.

cheers

Title: Re: Are all 24v's Cosworths
Post by nice_1 on Jan 5^th, 2007, 7:37pm

Just thought I'd say as I started this thread. My 24v could not get low enough to pass emissons at the MOT station, even after a number of tries. This could of been down to a lamba sensor. I spoke to a guy who has done mobile tuning for me on a couple of occassions, when I read him the figures from the MOT emmissons print out. He was adamant it was the cats, not the sensors.
you would think without the cats(straight thru pipes). would effect the running in some way?

Title: Re: Are all 24v's Cosworths
Post by Tony_Bradley on Jan 5^th, 2007, 10:27pm

HI Scorpio Man

Yep, next time I get it on a ramp I'll do a Pic.....

We (Garage and me) only discovered it when we we trying to trace the water leak on the Cossie I bought. You had to have the front plate off to see the radiator and it was losing water as steam when the engine and hence coolant was hot.

As I said in the post, the Mechanic put some advanced form of Radweld in and that seems to have done the trick.

Regards

Tony

Regards

Tony

Title: Re: Are all 24v's Cosworths
Post by scorpio_man on Jan 11^th, 2007, 10:46pm

hi there

we have a first here, a car with both the engine AND the gearbox covers. i'll try and find out more about the gearbox cover, part number, etc.

good photos tony. :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v521/scorpio_man/scorpio%20bits/Picture003s.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v521/scorpio_man/scorpio%20bits/Picture002s.jpg

Title: Re: Are all 24v's Cosworths
Post by Dave on Jan 11^th, 2007, 10:52pm

:o The gearbox cover does exist! Thought it was an urban myth ;)

Title: Re: Are all 24v's Cosworths
Post by Highlander on Jan 11^th, 2007, 11:04pm

Well be finding the Loch Ness monster next :)

Title: Re: Are all 24v's Cosworths
Post by TiberiuS on Jan 11^th, 2007, 11:14pm

on 01/11/07 at 23:04:13, Highlander wrote:

Well be finding the Loch Ness monster next :)

Or the 2.3 Cosworth ;)

Title: Re: Are all 24v's Cosworths
Post by Tony_Bradley on Jan 12^th, 2007, 12:05am

HI all

Wellwhen I got the car I asked whether it was a facelift or not and it seems that the only things missing from a facelift version are the front bumper and the centre full seat belt and headrest.

The ford badge is in the centre of the grille, it's got headlamp washers, no door lights or puddle lights, It's got healamp leveling switch, 24v badge on the boot and two undertrays !

Like I said either a Friday Car or what ? !!!!

Tony

Title: Re: Are all 24v's Cosworths
Post by martin_rowe on Jan 12^th, 2007, 8:50am

easy to tell if emissions are correct with or with out a cat, look at the llambda reading on the emission print out, it should rear 1.000, if lower then its rich, if higher then lean. as far as 24v go, when some are put onto the MOT computer it says test as non cat, (food for thought)
The prescence or not of a cat is not part of the MOT test, boils down to weather or not it passes the relivant emission test.

Title: Re: Are all 24v's Cosworths
Post by scorpio_man on Jan 12^th, 2007, 11:01am

hi there

the rear cover appears to cost about £80 (old price)! :o

hth

Title: Re: Are all 24v's Cosworths
Post by Scorpius on Jan 17^th, 2007, 6:48pm

2.3 Cossie is easy. Just take 1 1/2 spark plugs out.

LOL

Ian

Title: Re: Are all 24v's Cosworths
Post by Baz on Jan 18^th, 2007, 12:31am

OK Tiberius and Scorpius (blimey its like an episode of Up Pompeii!),

Here is a quote from a Ford news release dated 14th October 1997 which was to announce the new facelift version of the Scorpio and to say the first one would be on show at the London Motorshow that month.

The last paragraph on page 3 states: "Scorpio's three strong engine line-up comprises the Dagenham built 2.3 litre 16-valve unit with its unique Cosworth developed engine balancer system, a revised advanced 2.5 litre turbo diesel and the top of the range 2.9 litre 24-valve V6"

So you see, Cosworth did do something on the 2.3 after all!! ;D

So only the Loch Ness Monster to find now then!

Title: Re: Are all 24v's Cosworths
Post by Highlander on Jan 18^th, 2007, 8:14am

She's too well hidden ;)

Title: Re: Are all 24v's Cosworths
Post by TiberiuS on Jan 18^th, 2007, 2:53pm

lol Baz, top man...or should that be Bazius? ::)

Legend has it that the Loch Ness monster has been fitted with the diff from a 2.0 Scorpio, very hard to catch now ;)