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(Message started by: nice_1 on May 28^th, 2008, 5:10pm)

Title: 24v Steering rack removal.
Post by nice_1 on May 28^th, 2008, 5:10pm

Do I need any 'special' tools to replace a steering rack on a '95 24v scorpio. Is it relativley staight forward?? Any hints that may make the job easier ??

Title: Re: 24v Steering rack removal.
Post by Matt on May 28^th, 2008, 6:17pm

nope just a 13, 15 and 17 mm socket from memory, easy enough job, the steering rack is held on with a clamp arrangment with one bolt 'clamping' it, there 2 main bolts holding it to the subframe and then there one bolt that holds a plate wich holds the pipes in

undo the ball joints of the track rod ends and take them off from the wheel bubs (keeps the tracking in place)

you can then wangle the rack from out the drivers side

Title: Re: 24v Steering rack removal.
Post by Simmo on May 28^th, 2008, 8:51pm

Have a read of THIS page (http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/steermanual.htm) and select steering rack. The Cosworth has 'sensotronic' steering so there is an electrical connection to the system.

Title: Re: 24v Steering rack removal.
Post by jonnycab on May 29^th, 2008, 2:40am

Also, if you have a 'lump of metal' welded to the front of the cross member that prevents the rack from just dropping to the ground when it's all unbolted....then it may be an idea to angle grind this 'lump of metal' off before hand ;)

It doesn't seem to serve any purpose apart from hindering the removal of the rack & later models don't have it :)

Also, if you are planning to keep the track rod ends...... then loosen each nut that secures the track rod end into the hub & then fit another nut (the same size) on top & do it up tight to the old nut (making sure it is proud of the shaft). Then give a few hefty downward blows with a big hammer.

The track rod end will drop down & there won't be any damage to the thread caused by the hammer blows :)

I always do it this way, even if the old ball joints are shot. This way I can keep the rubber boots intact, so they can be removed & saved for when I may need one ;)....... Using a ball joint splitter (prong) rips the boots to shreads :)

Title: Re: 24v Steering rack removal.
Post by Simmo on May 29^th, 2008, 7:17am

And you should know Johnny !!! ;) :D ;D.

Title: Re: 24v Steering rack removal.
Post by nice_1 on May 29^th, 2008, 12:50pm

;) Thanks for those tips chaps, thats exactly the kind of advice I was after. I'm going to order the Rack today. Thanks again..
Richard.

Title: Re: 24v Steering rack removal.
Post by joe-satch on May 29^th, 2008, 4:09pm

the bolt that holds the PAS pipes to the rack valve is 10mm...and jonnycab is right about that metal plate welded to the sub-frame,although i did manage to get the rack out of the daughters scrap ultima with the plate in place..there was not a plate on her 'p' reg estate when i swapped the racks over.she needs new gaiters though...other than that the rack swap went well. :)..regards den.

Title: Re: 24v Steering rack removal.
Post by Simmo on May 29^th, 2008, 5:49pm

Joe, or indeed anyone else, where does one aquire new gaiters from. Looks like I may need a pair.

Title: Re: 24v Steering rack removal.
Post by gozz on May 29^th, 2008, 10:08pm

Simmo.
The Army and Navy stores :D
GOZZ.

Title: Re: 24v Steering rack removal.
Post by Simmo on May 30^th, 2008, 7:36am

Only you ,I and Snoopy will understand that I expect!! ;D

Title: Re: 24v Steering rack removal.
Post by joe-satch on May 30^th, 2008, 8:21am

hi all,simmo,im going to try my local A1 motor stores.the staff there have never let me down in obtaining parts etc,i will come back and let you know how i got on..but it maybe a few days yet.i have told our daughter not to use the car..due to the fact of the split gaiter.and we all know what will happen over time if the gaiters are not replaced...dont we? :).

Title: Re: 24v Steering rack removal.
Post by gozz on May 30^th, 2008, 9:02am

Simmo.
Forgive my former facetious remark,your reply to which was possibly very true !
If you have any problem obtaining rack gaiters I keep a pair in,supplied by local motor factors £9.34 inc VAT.I am sure you'll get some,but let me know if you dont.
GOZZ.

Title: Re: 24v Steering rack removal.
Post by joe-satch on May 31^st, 2008, 8:07am

morning all,simmo.......i got a pair of universal steering rack gaiters from my local A1 motor stores,with a discount came to £6.45,you just trim off each end of the gaiter until it fits..and there are sholders on the gaiters for the zip-ties to hold it to the rack..im doing the daughters gaiters later...hope that helps..the part number is
GH-QG1000. :)

Title: Re: 24v Steering rack removal.
Post by Simmo on May 31^st, 2008, 12:01pm

Jo, Gozz, thanks for all your help. Parts arriving Monday and will get it sorted then. ;)

Title: Re: 24v Steering rack removal.
Post by joe-satch on May 31^st, 2008, 5:19pm

excellant. :).

Title: Re: 24v Steering rack removal.
Post by nice_1 on Jun 1^st, 2008, 2:03pm

:o Just seen the price of the rack £199 plus vat. Anyone Breaking a 24v with a good rack? I'll make some calls over the next few days if not.....I guess I'll have to bite the bullet. I am going thru PAS fluid at an alarming rate!!!

Title: Re: 24v Steering rack removal.
Post by scorpio_man on Jun 1^st, 2008, 3:29pm

hi there

have a look here.... http://www.buypartsby.co.uk/steering-rack-display.php?txtmodel=Scorpio&txtmake=Ford&Submit=Next

remember the surcharge of £50 until you return the old rack.

hth

Title: Re: 24v Steering rack removal.
Post by nice_1 on Jun 1^st, 2008, 10:00pm

You are indeed, Scorpio Man !!! Thats much more like it. I shall be calling them tomorrow.
Thanks again
Rich. :)

Title: Re: 24v Steering rack removal.
Post by Matt on Jun 2^nd, 2008, 7:07pm

ford parts uk have 24v racks

http://www.fordpartsuk.com/shop/scorpio-power_steering_rack_735.htm

Title: Re: 24v Steering rack removal.
Post by nice_1 on Jul 3^rd, 2008, 2:09pm

I finally got around to changing the rack last weekend...Low and Behold when I get under the car.I find the rack is diffrent to the one from buyparts.co.uk ??? on speaking to them.."well thats the part thats listed, We'll arrange a refund". So I got onto fordparts.co.uk. Who took the chassis No. Only to reply. Unfortunatley,
It looks like from the options you have speed sensetive steering.

That rack is now No longer Avaliable through Ford.

I havbe just done a search on the obsolete system and there are none in the U.K. or Europe.

I have sent a picture incase its 1 of the internal parts gone that you can get.

Sorry we are unable to help with your enquiry.........

First question: Has anyone made a repair to one of these racks.

second question: Could I fit another rack without the speed senstive steering?

Third Question: Anyone know of a 24v breaking with speed sensitive steering.?
As ever any advice welcome. I am getting to think of buying another 24v and keeping this one for spares, I am using almost as much steering fluid as I am petrol ;D

Title: Re: 24v Steering rack removal.
Post by Jonnycab on Jul 3^rd, 2008, 3:11pm

Whereabouts is the fluid leaking from ?....if it's a pipe union then a new 'O' ring seal can be fitted to the pipe end. But if it's leaking from the end of the rack into the gaitor then an internal seal has gone & it isn't really repairable unless you have all the right tools etc :)

As far as I know, I think the rack that isn't speed sensitive can still be fitted & the connector plug just taped up.....someone else who has done the same may be able to confirm this :)

Title: Re: 24v Steering rack removal.
Post by nice_1 on Jul 3^rd, 2008, 4:15pm

Yes, it is leaking into the gaitor, I hope somebody who has changed over to the other type has some advice, because it looks like "good night vienna" if it cant be repaired :(

Title: Re: 24v Steering rack removal.
Post by Jonnycab on Jul 3^rd, 2008, 4:38pm

PM sent :)

Title: Re: 24v Steering rack removal.
Post by Highlander on Jul 3^rd, 2008, 5:18pm

Any Scorpio rack will fit, what was the one they sent you?? how did it differ?

You can fit a rack without the speed sensitive part.

Title: Re: 24v Steering rack removal.
Post by nice_1 on Jul 3^rd, 2008, 8:24pm

It was nothing like the rack on the car. The lugs or ears that are on the rack were on the bottom instead of the top or visa versa!! To be honest when I bought my cats off of them a couple of years ago, they went back and forth a few times until I got the correct ones. I was hoping they'd say that with the rack, but no such luck.

Title: Re: 24v Steering rack removal.
Post by nice_1 on Jul 3^rd, 2008, 8:35pm

One thing I meant to say Highlander. Are you saying any rack will fit or only 24v without the speed sensitive part? Thinking now buyparts.co just sent a rack for another make of car??? Right box,wrong rack.

Title: Re: 24v Steering rack removal.
Post by gozz on Jul 3^rd, 2008, 9:23pm

nice_1
Sounds as though they sent you a Granada Scorpio rack.All post 95 racks look the same to me,but of course the 24v has a pressure sensor switch in the pipe outside the rack,which I should think could be disconnected ?
GOZZ

Title: Re: 24v Steering rack removal.
Post by nice_1 on Jul 3^rd, 2008, 10:08pm

GOZZ i would agree, the part no. I ordered and when I phoned them they confirmed it was correct, however it was nothing like. It was completley different to the one I have. As I said right box, wrong rack.

Title: Re: 24v Steering rack removal.
Post by Tompion on Jul 4^th, 2008, 2:59am

on 06/02/08 at 19:07:15, Matt wrote:

ford parts uk have 24v racks

http://www.fordpartsuk.com/shop/scorpio-power_steering_rack_735.htm

Assuming you have RHD, ford parts uk are still listing the speed sensitive one on the link Matt sent.

Title: Re: 24v Steering rack removal.
Post by nice_1 on Jul 4^th, 2008, 11:37pm

Hi tompion, in my post (few back) where i said fordparts uk were not able to help. what I posted was copied from there reply. I'm sure they are correct, They have been very helpful, sent me a diagram of the rack so I could see if they could supply any parts that may help me repair the rack I have. I did ask what about the non speed senstive rack. Below is the reply:

Hello Richard

Sorry

You might be able to fit less non speed sensetive rack but that would produce problems form our supply point of view.

1 It would not be as OE Equipment
2 That invalidates any Warranty with Ford. So if anything goes wrong with the Rack in its 1 Year warranty Ford would reject the claim as not OE on that Vehicle.
3 If the is an accident involving the steering and the rack is at fault there would be problems arising from this.

I would have to say we are unable to quote you anything that is outside OE specification.

So, it looks like my only option is the secondhand route.

Title: Re: 24v Steering rack removal.
Post by Tompion on Jul 4^th, 2008, 11:48pm

Yes saw your post what I'm suggesting is that the people we normally buy parts from may not know what's on the website, have you tried buying one that way? You can add it to the shopping cart, but obviously I've not tried going further.

Title: Re: 24v Steering rack removal.
Post by gozz on Jul 4^th, 2008, 11:52pm

nice_one.
Surely you only need to be able to steer the thing! Who is too worried whether or not the steering is light at low speed or not !
GOZZ.

Title: Re: 24v Steering rack removal.
Post by nice_1 on Jul 5^th, 2008, 5:25pm

Tompion, you may be correct. I have not tried that. When the guy from fordparts told me he had even checked in ther 'obsolete' system. That thier's not one available in europe !! you'd think he would know what he was talking about.

Gozz, Again correct. Fordparts were saying "they" would not sell it to me, obviously I could go elsewhere and buy a non sensetive one.

Looks like I have sourced a second hand one, so fingers crossed. :)