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Title: Question: 'S' Reg Non-facelift??? Post by Nick_H on Dec 15th, 2004, 3:25pm Hi all, Again, more of a question than a problem, but there's an 'S' Reg Ultima Estate on Autotrader which isn't a facelift model. I wondered why this might be; surely a late '98 car ought to be a facelift... I thought it could either be "old stock" not registered until the 'S' plate or maybe it's had a front-ender and wasn't fixed up with the right bits... http://pictures.autotrader.co.uk/ATD_web/servlet/media?id=136954476 Any other suggestions? |
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Title: Re: Question: 'S' Reg Non-facelift??? Post by craig on Dec 15th, 2004, 3:44pm i think you may have answered your own question,the 2 suggestions you have already suggested are the probable 2 ,the facelift grill is becoming obsolete from the dealers,so if it had a front ender this would be true. |
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Title: Re: Question: 'S' Reg Non-facelift??? Post by ferretmobile on Dec 15th, 2004, 3:44pm Hi nick, I have got an S 99 reg 2.3 and it is a pukka last built by 4rds. wether it was built out of existing left overs or 4rds had a stockpile of pre face-lifts only the experts on this site can tell you, normally by the vin plate. I do know that my car was owned by 4rds for the first part of its life, which I suppose is a bonus... My advice is to check out the vin & HPI just to be sure. Ferret |
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Title: Re: Question: 'S' Reg Non-facelift??? Post by JohnJ on Dec 15th, 2004, 3:46pm As you said it could be old stock, or the front ender therory, but unless they where to cheap to put on face lift parts.... :-/ Mines a 98 model pre facelift,...must have been sitting in the forecourt for a while. The saloon models are easier to spot because of the different lights at the rear, but you could get hold of its chassis no. and go to a local for garage to find out. |
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Title: Re: Question: 'S' Reg Non-facelift??? Post by Baz on Dec 15th, 2004, 5:28pm Even a T reg pre facelift may appear!! http://tinypic.com/ws7t3 Baz |
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Title: Re: Question: 'S' Reg Non-facelift??? Post by Baz on Dec 15th, 2004, 5:29pm And the view from the back? http://tinypic.com/ws7wk |
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Title: Re: Question: 'S' Reg Non-facelift??? Post by john.n on Dec 15th, 2004, 5:51pm Strange or what? john.n ??? |
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Title: Re: Question: 'S' Reg Non-facelift??? Post by Vulcan on Dec 15th, 2004, 5:51pm Flippin heck that's gotta be a rare beast... :D |
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Title: Re: Question: 'S' Reg Non-facelift??? Post by johnv on Dec 15th, 2004, 6:08pm hey baz, that maroom "T" reg car is not yours is it, Yours is Silver I understand. So why is the rear bumper a different shade of Maroom from the rest of the car. Mine is the same, but you have to look like crasy to spot it. So what's happened about colour coding on Maroom cars. The blue cars, the colour coding is spot on. Anyway I prefer the early cars with the chrome. My "S" reg 2.3 Estate is in Atlantic Blue and has the smoked glass headlights, and no chrome around the grill and two open outlets in the front bumper next door to the fog lights, real ugly, compared with the others |
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Title: Re: Question: 'S' Reg Non-facelift??? Post by Eric_R on Dec 15th, 2004, 6:44pm We've had cases of cars built and left standing for over a year before being registered for the first time - this can be confusing when ordering parts. It's always best to quote the actual VIN number when ordering rather than the date of first registration. Everyone can check the date of manufacture by checking their VIN plate against http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/vin.htm - the last 2 letters before the actual number gives the month and year it came off the production line. The T-plate Scorpio is interesting. There was a rumour that several hundred unregistered Scorpios had been put into storage by a large leasing company, so perhaps this is one of them coming out into the open. :) |
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Title: Re: Question: 'S' Reg Non-facelift??? Post by OddJob on Dec 15th, 2004, 6:58pm Hi people ;D Apparently, having rang Ford this afternoon after reading this topic, it is the chrome pre-facelift grille that is now hard to obtain. The painted facelift version is still available and was in stock though at about £200 + vat I won't being buying one for 'just in case' :o |
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Title: Re: Question: 'S' Reg Non-facelift??? Post by craig on Dec 15th, 2004, 7:26pm oddjob.. and everybody else,please accept my apollogies,it is the pre facelift grill that is being "phased" out so to speak,but if anybody want a cheap facelift one try www.fordpartsuk.com they still have some in stock,and are cheaper than the main dealer by some considerable distance... |
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Title: Re: Question: 'S' Reg Non-facelift??? Post by Nick_H on Dec 15th, 2004, 7:32pm on 12/15/04 at 18:58:53, OddJob wrote:
That explains the number of pre-facelift cars I've seen on Autotrader that have facelift-style grilles on... Cue: "Why's that not the original grille, mister car salesman...?" |
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Title: Re: Question: 'S' Reg Non-facelift??? Post by JohnJ on Dec 15th, 2004, 7:50pm Hahahaah Dead givaway!!!! I suppose the bumper is getting phased out to! |
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Title: Re: Question: 'S' Reg Non-facelift??? Post by Paul B on Dec 15th, 2004, 7:53pm on 12/15/04 at 19:26:56, craig wrote:
I can verify that, having got one myself ;D. Certainly NOT £200! And that T-plate Scorpio.... ain't it just crying out for the 12=spokes? ::) |
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Title: Re: Question: 'S' Reg Non-facelift??? Post by OddJob on Dec 15th, 2004, 8:15pm Thanks for the info & link guys :D I couldn't believe it either this afternoon when he told me how much the grille was :o how much cheaper I wounder hmmm ??? |
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Title: Re: Question: 'S' Reg Non-facelift??? Post by Paul B on Dec 15th, 2004, 8:25pm Well, the main grille and the small chrome surround come as 2 seperate items, but mine came out at...... wait for it.... 48 quid plus VAT ;D |
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Title: Re: Question: 'S' Reg Non-facelift??? Post by OddJob on Dec 15th, 2004, 8:59pm on 12/15/04 at 20:25:55, Paul B wrote:
The painted section, black grille and chrome for £48 squid unbelieveabbble WOW :o :o where's the wife's credit card ??? :D :D |
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Title: Re: Question: 'S' Reg Non-facelift??? Post by Paul B on Dec 15th, 2004, 9:03pm Plus Vat though OddJob, plus Vat. But yes, the whole lot. :) |
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Title: Re: Question: 'S' Reg Non-facelift??? Post by OddJob on Dec 15th, 2004, 9:23pm on 12/15/04 at 21:03:31, Paul B wrote:
Whoops I know, Gordon Brown's slice of the action >:( slight omission on the old typing front, far too excited at saving all that money and ye'et I don't actually need one yet, but it was that old fear of eventually needing one and hearing that unmistakable remark so often heared "Sorry mate no longer serviced" ARRGGHH :'( |
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Title: Re: Question: 'S' Reg Non-facelift??? Post by T_reg on Feb 10th, 2007, 4:40am I have a T reg pre facelift 2.3 16v Ultima estate, with date of manufacture as Oct '97 and was first registered in May 1999. So obviously one of those lying around in a compound for a a while. I had a minor shunt that required replacement bumber, grill and both headlights, and was able to get the repairer to order all the appropriate face lift parts which fitted perfectly. It's looks a beauty! The only give away to the purist would be the lack of the centre heatrest on the rear seat. I have only ever seen one other T reg (a saloon). |
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Title: Re: Question: 'S' Reg Non-facelift??? Post by DazRSK on Feb 12th, 2007, 12:55pm It's interesting that there are so many T and even V reg Scorpios, proportionally, on the road, way after they were produced. And as per your Scorpio, T-reg, some of these are pre-facelift. It's easier to see this when a model is deleted. I mean - how many times have people on here or anywhere else commented that they have seen a P reg Granada ? Surely, just as astounding, but perhaps not so well noticed ? Maybe. It is quite well documented on here that the Scorpio was running out of puff with regard to sales, generally due to the changing attitude in the '90s that everybody buying £25-30k cars should have a premium badge on the front otherwise massive depreciation will result. Therefore, it's almost likely that there are some "strange" reg's out there, given that the last Scorpio's were difficult to sell. I work at Ford Motor and one of the projects I have been doing is looking at overaged unregistered new vehicles still in the European dealer stock. Strangely, the cars that you would think should sell like hot cakes are the chief culprits - mainly due to volume made and difficulty selling once the new model appears. In Spain, there is a 1999 Mondeo and year 2000 Focus which have never been sold - arguably sat in a field (or piece of dusty ground) somewhere. And, across Europe, there are about 200 Ford models of all descriptions which have not been sold but are over 2 years old. Of course, although this is mainframe system generated, there is room for manual input error. All I can say - if you choose to buy a new Ford in the near future - beware. It might be older than you could imagine. In fairness though - in Britain, the issue isn't so bad. There are still a few over 365 day old non registered vehicles out there though. |
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Title: Re: Question: 'S' Reg Non-facelift??? Post by Baz on Feb 12th, 2007, 6:01pm But are there any unregistered Scorpio Cosworths lying in a field in France or Spain Daz? I'll have one if there are! |
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Title: Re: Question: 'S' Reg Non-facelift??? Post by TiberiuS on Feb 12th, 2007, 6:14pm on 02/12/07 at 18:01:30, Baz wrote:
:P ::) I know where my next holiday is booked for ;D |
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Title: Re: Question: 'S' Reg Non-facelift??? Post by DazRSK on Feb 12th, 2007, 6:16pm Baz - sorry, no more Scorpios left in a field after so many years. But loads of Mondeos and Focuses - not very appealling, I realise!! What you will find is that Ford Motor do sometimes keep 1 or 2 units back which they never placed into dealer stock - just for the Heritage collection. A Scorpio could be lurking there. Not sure whether it was a myth - but have Ford not recently (ie in the last 5/7 years) released a Mk5 Cortina onto the market which they decided to let go out of their collection ? There - you can have a 1999 / 2000 registered Cortina. However, it probably was a myth and the problem nowadays is that Euro emmissions won't easily allow older cars to be first registered today. |
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Title: Re: Question: 'S' Reg Non-facelift??? Post by Baz on Feb 12th, 2007, 7:44pm Daz.... Behold the myth!! http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/bazunitec2/newcortina1Small.jpg http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/bazunitec2/newcortina2Small.jpg http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/bazunitec2/newcortina3Small.jpg http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/bazunitec2/newcortina4Small.jpg |
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Title: Re: Question: 'S' Reg Non-facelift??? Post by DazRSK on Feb 13th, 2007, 11:43am Baz - so the myth is true. Is this a picture that you have taken ? I love to go and see this in the real flesh - just wondering which TC Harrison branch it is at and whether it would still be in the showroom - I have a strange fascination/fondness for these Mk5's. Thanks for unearthing this. |
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Title: Re: Question: 'S' Reg Non-facelift??? Post by Baz on Feb 14th, 2007, 12:40am Daz, The new MK5 sold on EBay back in 2005 for about £4,000 if I remember. It had been like that since 1982 and had all of the fluids drained from the engine etc. and was really just a show car I believe. I saved those pictures from the EBay advert. I had a Mk 5 which was my dads. Unfortunately when he died over 13 years ago, I never had the heart to sell it and eventually it had to go to my mates breakers yard. I took this last photo for posterity! http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a369/bazunitec2/DSCF5849a.jpg Baz |
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Title: Re: Question: 'S' Reg Non-facelift??? Post by Geoff_W on Feb 14th, 2007, 6:43am Daz The unregistered one in the picture was/is part of the TC Harrison collection. The family used to keep a model back from time to time with a view to a bit of long term gain. If I remember previous keepers have included a GT40 and an RS200 under dust sheets at their bodyshop in Sheffield. Along with the odd Ferrari. I think that they stopped buying and keeping new models in the late 80s early 90s, so they probably don't have a Scorp skulking away somewhere ??? My guess as to location is Derby or Peterborough? |
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Title: Re: Question: 'S' Reg Non-facelift??? Post by DazRSK on Feb 14th, 2007, 11:10am Thanks for this info Geoff - I bet there is little chance of seeing them up at the dealer. And that's if they still have them all. You never know - they may throw an open day although, that's not really new car dealers' scene - showing off all the classic material lying around. Baz - that look's like a sad day. Poor old Cortina - nice colour but I see what you mean - I think it had had its best days. Strange how they are very square, very simple, very crude cars for the late '70s & early '80s but they do have that classic appeal. Probably somebody will shoot me down here - with exception to the perhaps the RS, XR, Cosworths, Ultimas and some Ghia's in all the models that Ford made, I still think the Cortina (and perhaps the Capri) are the last of the Fords that anyone could walk up to an immaculate 1.6L and still admire it. Is it the bright classic chrome work or the fact that style still came before substance ? Afterall, the picture above is of a 2.0GL and to me - looks amazing. But there was still the Ghia, Ghia with luxury/exec pack and the S pack above that one. I somehow think that wow factor just isn't in a 1.6L 1984 Sierra, even though it could be immaculate. |
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Title: Re: Question: 'S' Reg Non-facelift??? Post by Baz on Feb 14th, 2007, 6:08pm The red one above Daz is a 1983 Y reg 2.0 Auto Crusader with power steering (very rare addition in those days!) Unfortunately the Cortina IV and V's had built in rust traps such as the tops of the inner wings which was caked in mud from the roads and rotted through the A frames, inner and outer wings because there were no wheel arch liners. At the rear valance panel under the bumper, that had 3 6 or 7 inch holes in it which just copped for all the water off the rear wheels; filled up the valance and rusted away. The rear doors used to go where the trims were fitted with clips rivetted into holes in the doors. Nice cars but absolute rust buckets I'm afraid |
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Title: Re: Question: 'S' Reg Non-facelift??? Post by Gasguzzla on Feb 15th, 2007, 8:16pm Mines an R reg but the VIN says built in feb 96. Only 115 bhp too :( |
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