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(Message started by: g3ngs on Feb 6^th, 2006, 11:49am)

Title: hello.......and.......auto advice please
Post by g3ngs on Feb 6^th, 2006, 11:49am

hello all, just signed up and i have to say this is just about the most comprehensive support site of any car i have had, its brilliant.

on a whim on saturday i bought a 94 scorpio ultima 2.0 16v estate, well i thught that looks a bit different and very distinctive, 75k genuine miles mot to december, every bell and whistle works.......

and here's the but......

the auto box as per my reading on here....

1st ok, and into 2nd fine, then it revs to about 4000 and then thumps up at about 2500 into the 3rd. On A roads it feels like it really wants to change in 4th but doesn't and every now and then the O/D light flashes, the oil is a light brown colour and doesn't smell too bad.

I cleaned the MAF and that had a slight difference but all the same faults occur. From my reading there looks to be a problem with the solenoid(s) abd possibly the bands (whatever they are)

The question is what is the most economical fix for this, sooner or later if I keep driving it like this it will just go pop, am I better to cut to the chase avoiding diagnosis and mucking about with solenoids etc etc and find a good (better) second hand unit.

If I go that way, can I put any similarly aged box into it, and typically what should I be looking at to spend in terms of the box and labour.

ObviouslyI wish I'd come on here first, so that'll learn me.

Any ideas as to costs / sources etc wouls be good, if its at all relevant I'm in Potters Bar.

Thanks in advance

Title: Re: hello.......and.......auto advice please
Post by Highlander on Feb 6^th, 2006, 12:24pm

Hello and welcome :D

Can you get an OBD scan done?
There might be a member close by who can do one for you

Title: Re: hello.......and.......auto advice please
Post by g3ngs on Feb 6^th, 2006, 12:32pm

Thanks

I spoke to the Ford dealer in town, 1994 Scorpio, I may as well have been speaking Dutch to him.

There may be an indepedent who can do it for me tomorrow, but research on here suggests, solenoids 2 and three - send £££ immediately.

With the box sorted out I know this will be a very nice car, I just don't want to spend the earth on it.

Title: Re: hello.......and.......auto advice please
Post by DaveN on Feb 6^th, 2006, 1:20pm

Had exactly the same problem with a 96 estate. Lovely motor had a scan done for £30 and was then told could cost up to £900 to fix it!. Someone suggested it might just have been a speed sensor @£60 but I never took it any further..

Title: Re: hello.......and.......auto advice please
Post by g3ngs on Feb 6^th, 2006, 1:51pm

Hi DaveN that's very interesting (in a scary kind of way)

what did the scan come up with and
what bits would they have been fixing for £900
what did you do in the end

Title: Re: hello.......and.......auto advice please
Post by g3ngs on Feb 6^th, 2006, 1:53pm

...... if this is the same as mine, should I chance it until it goes pop and then hunt around for a 2nd hand one in good condition?

Title: Re: hello.......and.......auto advice please
Post by nuttyscorp on Feb 6^th, 2006, 2:33pm

it doesnt sound too healthy to me, you could try a gearbox oil and gearbox oil filter change........

Russ

Title: Re: hello.......and.......auto advice please
Post by g3ngs on Feb 6^th, 2006, 2:49pm

its tempting, but if its broken then that'll be a waste of £100 espcially if its something more serious stopping it changing gear

Title: Re: hello.......and.......auto advice please
Post by VSBlue on Feb 6^th, 2006, 4:18pm

i had that on my olb mk2 2.8 v6 auto
would not go up gears until the revs hit 3000 /4000
i had a split in the vacuum pips sucking to much air
it's worth a look

Title: Re: hello.......and.......auto advice please
Post by g3ngs on Feb 6^th, 2006, 7:35pm

Well its been a busy afternoon,

i got a friendly gearbox specialist to plug his diagnostic thing in to the car and sure enough, 2 solenoid errors and one ratio problem. (at no cost though another garage wanted £45 + VAT cheeky sod to do it)

so time for another box to go in for the sake of economy rather than repair. as he tells me i have 1st, 3rd and reverse, so i was wrong to say earlier that i had 2nd

he has quoted £150 to remove the old one and put the new one in and to do the oil and filter on the new one too.

i have also been quoted £170 by a dismantler for a 2.0 ultima auto box with a 3 month warranty.

My questions are are these pirces any good in your experiences (they feel it)

And am I right in thinking that a 2.3 will also fit the 2.0.

Or what other gearboxes will fit the 2.0 16v Scorpio Ultima- would (PLEASE SAY YES) for instance one from a 24v V6 Cosworth Scorpio Ultima fit?

Title: Re: hello.......and.......auto advice please
Post by Highlander on Feb 6^th, 2006, 9:59pm

Yep, they all fit, though they are slightly differences.
Should be ok to fit any one to the 2.0
not advisable to do it the other way though, eg fit a 2.0 box to a 24v :)

Title: Re: hello.......and.......auto advice please
Post by leftofcentre on Feb 6^th, 2006, 10:36pm

why not?

Title: Re: hello.......and.......auto advice please
Post by Highlander on Feb 6^th, 2006, 10:59pm

The bigger the engine the more brake bands the box has.

So putting a 24v through a 2.0 box is likely to wear it out very quickly

Its kinda like putting a Fiesta clutch in a Scorp... yes it will work but not for long ;)

Title: Re: hello.......and.......auto advice please
Post by david_molloy on Feb 6^th, 2006, 10:59pm

Hello
Strange but I've a solenoid problem on 1st gear only.
OBD scan shows error as P0750 - shift solenoid A & P1751 - shift solenoid A performance.
Similar choice to make repair or replace.
I'm going to attempt repair myself to keep cost down.
david

Title: Re: hello.......and.......auto advice please
Post by Highlander on Feb 6^th, 2006, 11:15pm

http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=Problems;action=display;num=1132662305;start=3#3

Title: Re: hello.......and.......auto advice please
Post by g3ngs on Feb 6^th, 2006, 11:37pm

ok so things are looking up.

so i can put pretty much any gear box that i can get my hands on, based on the balance of cost and perceived quality and usage and get it fitted straight in?

now that would be cool, to have 4 forward gears and not the 2 that i have right now

Title: Re: hello.......and.......auto advice please
Post by Highlander on Feb 6^th, 2006, 11:44pm

anything Except the 12v box

Title: Re: hello.......and.......auto advice please
Post by nuttyscorp on Feb 7^th, 2006, 12:25am

on 02/06/06 at 19:35:57, g3ngs wrote:

he has quoted £150 to remove the old one and put the new one in and to do the oil and filter on the new one too.

i have also been quoted £170 by a dismantler for a 2.0 ultima auto box with a 3 month warranty.

£150 is a good price for removal, refitting, oil and filter change, as it would cost you around £60 in parts (without box)to do it yourself. make sure he uses the correct oil (will cost about £40)

i would be wary paying £170 for a box from a dismantler, its likely to be untested (ive heard some stories.....) even though its got a 3 month guarantee on it, if it fails during the 3 month period, you may get your money back, but will still have fit another box(another £150)

personally i'd not pay the £170, try a breakers?

best bet is to get one that you know is tried and tested, try posting in the parts wanted section. or check out ebay.

Russ

Title: Re: hello.......and.......auto advice please
Post by g3ngs on Feb 7^th, 2006, 8:05am

thanks guys things are looking up. having only 2 1/2 days experience of the Scorpio what do you think would be the key differences in feel and performance if i put the 24V gearbox in.

from what i've read am i correct in thinking that this the strongest gearbox option?

Title: Re: hello.......and.......auto advice please
Post by nuttyscorp on Feb 7^th, 2006, 1:10pm

i dont think you will really gain much, if anything at all, but the box will take as much grief as a 2.0 can give it.

Russ

Title: Re: hello.......and.......auto advice please
Post by Highlander on Feb 7^th, 2006, 3:45pm

now if you slipped in a 24v engine to go with that box.... ;)

Title: Re: hello.......and.......auto advice please
Post by g3ngs on Feb 7^th, 2006, 4:02pm

i've just found out that the 2.3 will go straight in, but putting the 24v one is going to cause hassle with the bell housing and using the tried and tested equation of hassle = time = cost, i'm back on the hunt for a 16v 2.0 or 2.3 auto box.

any hints and pointers - already posted on the wanted section, there's one on ebay but its a really long way way, 400 mile + round trip, which I don't think i could cope with in 3rd gear all the way there and back

Title: Re: hello.......and.......auto advice please
Post by Highlander on Feb 7^th, 2006, 4:08pm

Theres cars getting broken on here a lot, youve more chance of getting a cheaper better quality one from someone on here than you have at a breakers or on ebay,

And £150 i reckon is a bit excessive.

You are fairly desperate for it though which doesnt help but Ive seen them go for £40

Title: Re: hello.......and.......auto advice please
Post by g3ngs on Feb 7^th, 2006, 6:24pm

yes i think i may be displaying "strong buying signals", its the time element that's working against me.

Title: Re: hello.......and.......auto advice please
Post by howiedintheplace on Feb 7^th, 2006, 6:41pm

Well I have one & replied to your wanted post.

2.0 & 2.3 will fit straight in, the 24V will need the bell housing changed which is a bit tricky as part of the insides is bolted to it but O.K as long as your careful.
24V box is the strongest but are also the most common one to fail due to the torquey 24V engine.

Title: Re: hello.......and.......auto advice please
Post by g3ngs on Feb 7^th, 2006, 8:21pm

Just pm ed you

Title: Re: hello.......and.......auto advice please
Post by DaveN on Feb 9^th, 2006, 6:57pm

Hi, the £900 was for a box fitted by a gearbox "specialist", I suggested a repair might be cheaper but was told "it's all in the labour mate". One of the solenoids was supposed to have gone but I never got to find out what the codes were, those figures sound reasonable by comparison..

Title: Re: hello.......and.......auto advice please
Post by david_molloy on Feb 9^th, 2006, 11:46pm

Hello DaveN
I'd beware this "specialist".
He should have known it was a relatively simple job to do solenoid.
What were codes
Have similar prob myself - shift solenoid A duff so no 1st gear.
Going to attempt replacement myself as solenoid only £30 - 40 and looks like easy to fit once sump & filter off.
Will know for sure in a couple of weeks when I do it.
david