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(Message started by: pat on Apr 4^th, 2007, 6:25pm)

Title: abs
Post by pat on Apr 4^th, 2007, 6:25pm

Hi again folks. Next problem!:- ABS problem mentioned in a previous posting has been diagnosed as faulty ABS ECU. From info on the site, I have established that it is the early one. The good news:- local scrappy has got a 2.9 in. I am going tomorrow to see if it is the same as my 2.0( mine is the same as 'er indoors' 2.9).
Now then, even if I have to buy the whole thing, can I just fit the ECU to avoid having to bleed the brakes? Please say yes! In fact, as always, I shall be immensely grateful for anyone saying anything! Does it just plug into the pump?

Title: Re: abs
Post by Tompion on Apr 4^th, 2007, 9:16pm

My car has the later ABS so can’t offer definite advise. Hopefully someone will give better advice.

The modulator comes off, but whether you can remove it whilst the pump is insitu I don’t know.
Have you looked here:
http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/absmodulator.htm

The modules differ depending on whether you have traction control or not.
I don’t know if you can use a traction control one on a non traction control pump.

I think if you look at the BBA site mentioned on the link above you can find the part numbers for the various models with/without TC.

Dave

Title: Re: abs
Post by Scorpius on Apr 4^th, 2007, 10:17pm

It took me 2 hours to change the whole unit and bleed the brakes.
Its not a bad job and new brake fluid throughout your system is always a good thing.

Ian

Title: Re: abs
Post by Chieftain on Apr 4^th, 2007, 10:58pm

Modulator is fitted to pump so whole lump comes out, took us 3 hours (to much tea) to change a bleed brakes, def need to do, the yellow crap that came out of my l/h/r caliper was scary but job sorted, hardest part was fitting brake pipes back to pump without cross threading.

Title: Re: abs
Post by pat on Apr 5^th, 2007, 11:55am

Thanks again guys. Just off to scrappy now.
Chieftain:- I am an ex(long ex!) motor engineer. All this electronic stuff is beyond me. However, a trick of the trade with brake pipes was to run a file round the side of the end of the ferrule because when it is tightened, it flares out which makes it difficult to get back in the hole and, as you say, tries to cross-thread. Just trying to help- sorry if I am "trying to teach my Grandmother how to suck eggs"! ;D
Will report progress on the ABS.

Title: Re: abs
Post by pat on Apr 5^th, 2007, 12:00pm

Tompion:- Sorry, mine has not got traction control(I don't think)
The smiley on last posting was supposed to come after eggs. Told you this electronic stuff is beyond me.

Title: Re: abs
Post by scorpio_man on Apr 5^th, 2007, 12:03pm

hth

Title: Re: abs
Post by Chieftain on Apr 5^th, 2007, 12:54pm

Pat
No eggs to suck cholate or otherwise :( but thanks for the tip, we all can add something to each others knowledge. Good luck with the abs, at least the sun is shining ;D

Title: Re: abs
Post by Atlantic_blue on Apr 5^th, 2007, 1:52pm

Do not use bba remanufacturing for components they do not stand up to their guarantee.

Title: Re: abs
Post by pat on Apr 5^th, 2007, 2:10pm

Yippee- it's the same! Looks new. Off N reg 2.9 scrapped because of electrical fault after lots of money spent. looks mostly intact including tan leather interior, bumpers, lights etc.
Yard prices very reasonable. Situated at Rainworth nr. Mansfield, Notts. 01623-797441. Thanks for all advice again folks. Will report on successful completion.Pat

Title: Re: abs
Post by catalina on Apr 6^th, 2007, 12:41am

Changed the modulator on my 2L a couple of weeks ago. Took about 2 hours.
No need to remove the pump.
Full, clear instructions are given on fordscorpio.co.uk. Click on "servicing and repairs". Then click on "brakes". Then on "ABS Modulator.

I don't think there is any chance of a modulator from a 24V working on a 2L. All 24v's had traction control.

Good luck

John

Title: Re: abs
Post by Chieftain on Apr 6^th, 2007, 8:14am

Catalina
How did you manage to do the modulator without removing the pump? or do you mean you did not disconnect it? I followed those instructions and although we were putting a whole complete unit pump +modulator in we felt that it would be straining the pipes to much to try and chnage a modulator, not much play in them anyway. So very intrested in how you did it, ,ore knowledge the better.

Title: Re: abs
Post by catalina on Apr 6^th, 2007, 9:35am

Bob (Chieftain)

Yes, It is necessary to put a certain amount of strain on the pipes but it didn't seem to be excessive.

For Pat

The part No. for the controller on an "N" reg 2L can be either:

95GB-2C013-AB orAC. Ford told me that the AC was an upgraded version and is interchangeable with the AB. They're right - I've done it on my 2L!

On my P reg Cossie the controller No. is 95GB-2C013-BB. This has 9 pots compared with only 6 on the 2L. Presumably to manage the traction control.

John

Title: Re: abs
Post by Chieftain on Apr 6^th, 2007, 11:01am

Catalina thanks for that, with my luck any pressure would prove fatal, glad I changed the lot, was driven to that by the smiling man at my local Ford telling me a new pump will cost £1200, so in end cost me about £80 for all parts.

Title: Re: abs
Post by pat on Apr 6^th, 2007, 11:44am

Hi folks. Sorry for the delayed reply. Right-here goes.
First ofall, mine is a M reg 2.0 DOHC 16v estate.
Donor veh was a N reg 2.9 saloon.
Number on my pump is 95GB 2M110 AC. Can't see under module in situ.

Number on new pump is95GB 2M110 AD. Underside of box says Controller DE1 95GB 2C013 AC.
If mine hasn't got traction control(how do you tell?), can't I just connect up the relevant wires to match mine and leave the T/C ones blank? I did take the precaution of snipping the multiplug off the donor veh with a length of harness.
Many thanks for your help and interest again. Regards, Pat

Title: Re: abs
Post by Chieftain on Apr 6^th, 2007, 12:09pm

Pat easiest way to see if you have TC is on the centre console is the TC switch on the left side of the console

Title: Re: abs
Post by pat on Apr 6^th, 2007, 12:21pm

Thanks, Bob. Nope, no TC switch :'(

Title: Re: abs
Post by pat on Apr 6^th, 2007, 12:29pm

PS. But then there isn't on 'er indoors' 2.9 either. Perhaps the donor 2.9 hadn't got it. :-/

Title: Re: abs
Post by Chieftain on Apr 6^th, 2007, 1:14pm

Also on switching on the ignition TC light should briefly appear (looks like wheel with dirt being thrown out by wheel spin.) It and abs light wwere reasons I had to change my parts.

Title: Re: abs
Post by pat on Apr 6^th, 2007, 1:32pm

No, nothing like that -either on my 2.0 or June's 2.9. Using the numbers I have given, would appreciate it if anyone was able to tell me whether I should be able to use my existing multiplug with the new pump and module or alternatively, use new unit with its own multiplug, leaving off(if any) extra wires. Thanks again, Pat.

Title: Re: abs
Post by pat on Apr 8^th, 2007, 12:11pm

Hi folks . A bit more info which may help with an answer to my query. The new unit's multiplug has 17 wires. The one on my car seems to have13/14- can't quite see in situ. Everything else looks identical. I would assume the terminals on each will correspond. If I plug my car's multiplug into new ECU won't it just pick up the terminals it needs?

Title: Re: abs
Post by Tompion on Apr 8^th, 2007, 3:23pm

If you click on the image to enlarge it at the bottom of the web page:
http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/absmodulator.htm

You’ll see the module has six coils, since my non TC has six I assume a TC version will have more.
I suspect the plugs are the same but with more wires for the TC version.

As I said previously I have the later ABS. On that for testing if the light goes out, you can just about plug both plugs into the module without fitting it to the block. Maybe you can on yours.

Dave

Title: Re: abs
Post by pat on Apr 8^th, 2007, 7:00pm

Dave(Tompion). Thanks very much mate, I'll try that(or rather my mechanic mate will). I am glad you are of same mind about extra wires. It may be naive but I would have thought that basic wiring set up would be same on both. We shall see. All other work for MOT has been done so if this module does not fix ABS light problem then I shall re(?)gain my sanity and get rid. Will report on progress.
Regards, Pat

Title: Re: abs
Post by sector-9 on Apr 9^th, 2007, 12:39pm

Is that car in the scrapyard a dark aubergine saloon? If so then I'll pay them a visit 'cos I need a new rear bumper - I'm fairly local.

Darren

Title: Re: abs
Post by pat on Apr 9^th, 2007, 2:23pm

Hi Darren. Yes I believe it is but my memory is not very good so I'd give them a ring to make sure. Ask for Rob or Nigel . Good luck, Pat