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(Message started by: lock3h on Apr 7^th, 2007, 9:16pm)

Title: my 2.0 ultima wont start
Post by lock3h on Apr 7^th, 2007, 9:16pm

Driving along very nicely, then it cut out, try to start it, fires up then cuts out instantly, towed it home had a fiddle,
cant get it to run at all, turns over and some times fires up then dies?

i checked for a spark and seems to be sparking, checked for fuel, seems to be fuel there via the bleed valve?

anyone got any ideas?

Title: Re: my 2.0 ultima wont start
Post by weaver67 on Apr 7^th, 2007, 10:00pm

alright mate have you checked the fuel cut off switch

Title: Re: my 2.0 ultima wont start
Post by lock3h on Apr 8^th, 2007, 6:51am

yes the button is pressed in.

Title: Re: my 2.0 ultima wont start
Post by lock3h on Apr 8^th, 2007, 11:43am

i got it started this morning but its only running on 2

i checked the coil packs for a spark on all 4 seems to be sparking on all, checked the spark plugs. they seem ok

check the fuel rail for power all working

when i unplug the fuel rail on 2 / 4 ? it makes no diff to how the car runs?

plus when the car gets hot it wont start at all

Title: Re: my 2.0 ultima wont start
Post by Spannerdemon on Apr 8^th, 2007, 2:02pm

A suggestion:

Fuel Injector Relay sticking. Get it out, and tap it. Then try again. The contacts sometimes stick together, and can cause intermittant start failure problems.

Only way is a new relay. We had this on another car, took ages to sus it out, and it can be very worrying driving along and suddenly the power just goes and you are not running anymore. Especially if you have 40 tons of lorry behind you!! :o

Worth checking anyway. It's relay No. 17

Title: Re: my 2.0 ultima wont start
Post by lock3h on Apr 9^th, 2007, 8:16am

update, 1 and 3 have no spark now?, its the ones that have the HT lead not under the coil packs

any ideas about them not sparking any more?

Title: Re: my 2.0 ultima wont start
Post by scorpio_man on Apr 9^th, 2007, 8:47am

hi there

i'd give all the wiring to the coil pack a good look over. could well be breaking up. also the coil packs themselves could be suspect. they're wasted spark ones hence the 'spark' moving between the leads.

hth

Title: Re: my 2.0 ultima wont start
Post by lock3h on Apr 9^th, 2007, 9:52am

i checked the wiring, checked for power to the coil packs, only the spark plugs under the packs seem to be working

Title: Re: my 2.0 ultima wont start
Post by scorpio_man on Apr 9^th, 2007, 10:00am

hi there

have you taken the 'fat short' leads off? have a look at the connections for oxidisation. it's also possible that the spark plugs have went 'off'. this can happen very quickly with platinum ones. try swapping them around.

btw, don't run it too much as petrol will be getting to the cat and ruining it. :(

Title: Re: my 2.0 ultima wont start
Post by lock3h on Apr 9^th, 2007, 12:53pm

yes i tested a spare spark plug directly into the top of both the coil packs nothing, some time there is a VERY faint spark?

only the spark plugs that sit under the coil packs seem to be working

Title: Re: my 2.0 ultima wont start
Post by scorpio_man on Apr 9^th, 2007, 1:00pm

hi there

i'd say it was the packs then. can you swap someone for a known good one to check?

shouldn't be too expensive in a scrappy.

Title: Re: my 2.0 ultima wont start
Post by lock3h on Apr 9^th, 2007, 1:48pm

i dont know anyone around here with a scorpio like mine, unsure if the scrappys would even have them in?

Title: Re: my 2.0 ultima wont start
Post by scorpio_man on Apr 9^th, 2007, 1:56pm

hi there

saw this on ebay........http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Ford-Scorpio-Coil-Pack-used-2-0L_W0QQitemZ190100227483QQcategoryZ21654QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

hth

Title: Re: my 2.0 ultima wont start
Post by TiberiuS on Apr 9^th, 2007, 3:07pm

Hi. sounds very much like the loom wiring to me, unlikely both packs would go at once. Check the part of the loom where it enters the recess at the back of the engine where the coilpacks are, mine fell to bits under the outer loom insulation. Sometimes it's gone bad right down to the fuel rail.

Regards, Bruce.

Title: Re: my 2.0 ultima wont start
Post by Tompion on Apr 9^th, 2007, 10:14pm

on 04/09/07 at 13:56:31, scorpio_man wrote:

hi there

saw this on ebay........http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Ford-Scorpio-Coil-Pack-used-2-0L_W0QQitemZ190100227483QQcategoryZ21654QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

hth

Here's another - wonder where they got the picture ;):
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=019&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=290103449448&rd=1&rd=1

Dave

Title: Re: my 2.0 ultima wont start
Post by jonnycab on Apr 9^th, 2007, 10:40pm

Lock3h wrote...... "plus when the car gets hot it wont start at all"....

If the car won't start when it's hot, then it could be the fuel rail pressure regulator at fault....I had the same problem a few months back :)

Title: Re: my 2.0 ultima wont start
Post by lock3h on Apr 10^th, 2007, 5:40pm

got it all running today, running sweat as now :D

cheers all!

Title: Re: my 2.0 ultima wont start
Post by scorpio_man on Apr 10^th, 2007, 5:52pm

hi there

was it the coil packs after all?

glad you got it going. :)

Title: Re: my 2.0 ultima wont start
Post by lock3h on Apr 10^th, 2007, 9:42pm

Dont think it was just the coil packs alone, ive cleaned all the plugs, wiring, injectors, inlet manifold so on, its never ran so sweat, i gave it a full service, flushed the engine out, water filters, pollen filters so on.

like a new car now :D

it was lucky, as i was ready for taking it to the scrap yard.