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(Message started by: hertogjan75 on May 26^th, 2007, 11:11pm)

Title: front foglight dont work
Post by hertogjan75 on May 26^th, 2007, 11:11pm

Hi ther just boght a scorpio 2.9i ghia with a few problems i have almost repaired everething...only got some problems witk the front fogs.
I have checkt all fuses and licht bulbs they are ok. checked the light switch that is ok to. Even checked relais R9 wasnt ok but repaired it now if i push the contact from R9 "in" the fogs will light on. So the problem has to be in the steering cercuit from R9. If i look at the whiring diagram i see an relais that sould be behind the dash ----->dash removed cant fint a ralais??? Does anyone know exacly wher this relais is situated and does anyone know what this relais should do. The whiering digram cals it an fog cut off ralais???
Sorry for the poor english i tryed my best.

Title: Re: front foglight dont work
Post by jonnycab on May 27^th, 2007, 3:46am

Hi there, & welcome to the site :)

Not quite sure what you mean when you say "problem has to be in the steering circuit from R9" ?

R9 is the fog light relay & if you said you repaired it but it only works when you push it, then it must still have a fault :-/....do the rear fog lamps work OK ?

Have you tried replacing the relay with a new one to see if the fog lamps will work ? :)

Title: Re: front foglight dont work
Post by hertogjan75 on May 27^th, 2007, 9:01am

Hi,
When i open the relais and push on the lever the lights come on. So the spool isnt getting a current.

Title: Re: front foglight dont work
Post by hertogjan75 on May 27^th, 2007, 9:02am

oh the rear fogs work ok

Title: Re: front foglight dont work
Post by scorpio_man on May 27^th, 2007, 10:13am

hi there

just a thought. you have the correct light switch? the one with the 2 pull out positions? first one is for the front fogs, 2nd is for both front and rear fog lights.

http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/images/handbook016.gif

hth

Title: Re: front foglight dont work
Post by hertogjan75 on May 27^th, 2007, 10:59am

yep thats the one i have got. thats the reason why i try to let it work. else i had removed them :'(

Title: Re: front foglight dont work
Post by hertogjan75 on May 27^th, 2007, 9:33pm

http://www.carsoft.ru/avtorepair/sierra/foglamps.pdf this is the site where they show the wireing. K26 is the R9 relais dont ask me why they have give it an other name probbelly because its an russian site. K105 is the "cut off relais"that i am looking for. I guess that should be R35 folloing the handbook :-/

Title: Re: front foglight dont work
Post by sector-9 on May 28^th, 2007, 12:57am

Remove R9 and check for 12V across the two small contacts in the fusebox when the fog lights are supposed to be on.

Does the front fog-lamps green LED light up next to the switch like it should? If it doesn't then the switch may be faulty. If it does then either there is no negative to the relay coil or the switched +12V isn't reaching it. You already know that the fog-lamp wiring from the relay is good.

Darren

P.S.

The above is true for UK cars - yours may be different if outside of UK. Ignition and headlamps will both probably have to be on for the front fog-lamps to work.

Title: Re: front foglight dont work
Post by hertogjan75 on May 28^th, 2007, 12:08pm

nope the green led doesn't light up. one time i disconected the switch and when i "hotwired" it the led come on it could mean ther is something wrong with the switch. thanks i am going look at it right now. :)

Title: Re: front foglight dont work
Post by TiberiuS on May 28^th, 2007, 1:00pm

Hi. So what you're saying is that if you close the contacts on the relay the fogs come on but the headlamp switch isn't putting voltage to the relay coil?

Just trying to work out where your problem might be :)

Title: Re: front foglight dont work
Post by hertogjan75 on May 28^th, 2007, 4:12pm

yes thats it! only i can't put in those words :-[

Title: Re: front foglight dont work
Post by TiberiuS on May 28^th, 2007, 5:24pm

Fear not ;D ;)

Is yours a UK model? Knowing what country you're in will make it easier for people to help you as the wiring is different.

These diagrams confuse me too, I don't think the 'cut off' relay was fitted to UK cars, seems to be something fitted to cars sold in the Netherlands and Switzerland?

Diagram 32-07-004 shows the switch wiring for cars sold in countries with the cut-off relays. Diagram 32-07-005 shows the switch wiring for other cars including UK models, which don't have the cut-off relay.

Look at diagram 32-07-006, this shows the input to the front fog relay, K26 is indeed relay 9 in the central fusebox.

If the LED on the switch isn't coming on either you've got no voltage getting to the switch (unlikely as you say the rears work) or a bad contact inside the switch. Would also be worth turning the fogs on, removing relay 9 in the fusebox and checking whether you're getting 12V to the coil terminals in the fusebox. If no 12v, check the earth connection is intact. Then go back to the switch and check you've got 12v getting to the switch through the violet/black wire and 12 coming out of the switch through the violet wire. If 12v going in and nothing coming out, you've got a faulty switch.

Hope this helps some.

Regards, Bruce.

Title: Re: front foglight dont work
Post by hertogjan75 on May 28^th, 2007, 5:37pm

Its a nl model. I go and look at it right now.... strange is if i dis conect the switch and wired it 11 and 3 8and 10 the led light up but the fog stays out ??? and as i reconect the switch the led stays out but tis is what the switch sould do???

Title: Re: front foglight dont work
Post by hertogjan75 on May 28^th, 2007, 6:02pm

just saw that if i turn the switch to the right and 1x pull out nothing happen 2x pull out the orange led light up and rear fog go on than if i turn the switch 1 step to the left my head lamps go out and the green led fot front fog go on ( the fog themselfs stay out :'( ) why do i want to drive with the fron fog on but with my head lamp out? is this normal? buy the way the violet /white and violet black is all the time 12v.

Title: Re: front foglight dont work
Post by hertogjan75 on May 28^th, 2007, 7:44pm

After reading the manuel carfully i think the front fogs aren't supose to work when the headlights are on. So i tryed everything that i did already again with the switch turnt only once to the right.........coil from R9 is broken. So i put in some other relay....and now its working again. I guess the cut off means to cutt of the fogs when the headlamps are coming on!!! :) Well i will thank everyone who has helped me with this problem. and is there someone who can tell me how i can suport this site?

Title: Re: front foglight dont work
Post by Simmo on May 28^th, 2007, 7:48pm

If you look at the top of the screen you will see a 'Paypal' link. Click on that and you will be able to donate a sum of money to the site if that is what you wish to do. :)

Title: Re: front foglight dont work
Post by hertogjan75 on May 28^th, 2007, 8:07pm

I realy want to donate a amount of money but what is a normal donation?
I don't want to be labeled as a stingy dutchman hahahha

Title: Re: front foglight dont work
Post by TiberiuS on May 28^th, 2007, 8:36pm

hahaha, after all that ;D

Glad you sorted it though, that cut off relay confused me too ;)

With donating, if you feel you'd like to do so I dare say the site admin would be greatful with anything you can afford, no matter how small ;)

Title: Re: front foglight dont work
Post by jonnycab on May 28^th, 2007, 8:46pm

So it was a faulty R9 all along :)

Title: Re: front foglight dont work
Post by hertogjan75 on May 28^th, 2007, 8:51pm

pffffff yeah.. :-[ and confusing handbook and wirediagrams hahahah :) But gladlly everything is ok again.

Title: Re: front foglight dont work
Post by jonnycab on May 29^th, 2007, 12:16am

Glad you sorted it :)