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(Message started by: grandadman on Nov 19^th, 2007, 4:28pm)

Title: Timing Chain RATTLES like HELL (Cold)
Post by grandadman on Nov 19^th, 2007, 4:28pm

I am thinking about investing some money in a product made by Lucas Oil Products Inc http://www.lucasoil.co.uk/

I think it is called 'Heavy Duty Oil Stabiliser' yanks use the Z here

Anybody help with this

What is the oil capacity of the 24V Cosworth???

Title: Re: Timing Chain RATTLES like HELL (Cold)
Post by Simmo on Nov 19^th, 2007, 5:03pm

Grandad. Go to THIS page (http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/CosV6manual.htm) and look at 'Specifications'. You will see that all other models are listed in the links on the left of the page. When your oil was changed was a genuine or good quality filter used. If they do not have a 'non return valve' this can cause the oil to drain down and thus take longer to reach the vital parts.

Title: Re: Timing Chain RATTLES like HELL (Cold)
Post by grandadman on Nov 19^th, 2007, 6:19pm

have a 'non return valve' this can cause the oil to drain down and thus take longer to reach the vital parts.

Any ideas where you can buy these filters - you sound spot on Simmo with this!

Q: How do you put these hyperlinks in the reply to a posting ???

Title: Re: Timing Chain RATTLES like HELL (Cold)
Post by grandadman on Nov 19^th, 2007, 6:28pm

Just done my first hyperlink :) http://www.lucasoil.co.uk/

Title: Re: Timing Chain RATTLES like HELL (Cold)
Post by howiedintheplace on Nov 21^st, 2007, 3:07am

Actually just about every filter I know of has a non return valve, it is part of a oil filters construction usally.

However some work better than others.

Title: Re: Timing Chain RATTLES like HELL (Cold)
Post by grandadman on Nov 21^st, 2007, 11:08am

I have just ordered a new one from my local Ford man -£5.31 + VAT

I am going to put 4.00 lts of good oil and 0.5 ltr of this lucas oil - I have nothing to lose and all to gain after 178K miles on the clock.

I will report back when the freezing temperatures arrive ::) ...tomorrow! lol

Title: Re: Timing Chain RATTLES like HELL (Cold)
Post by scorpio_man on Nov 23^rd, 2007, 12:32pm

hi there

not sure if it works, but......

http://www.americantechnology.co.uk/index.asp

hth

Title: Re: Timing Chain RATTLES like HELL (Cold)
Post by grandadman on Nov 23^rd, 2007, 1:21pm

That looks good scorpio_man I will buy a 400ml and give it a go!

The rattle was really bad this morning in the 2-3 degs cold.

I was wondering could it be noisy cats ??? [no jokes about moggys please]

Here's a Tommy Cooper one... jus like that!

"So I met the bloke who invented crosswords today. I can't remember

his name, it's P something T something R." :D ;D ;D

I 've got loads more ;)

Title: Re: Timing Chain RATTLES like HELL (Cold)
Post by scorpio_man on Nov 23^rd, 2007, 1:25pm

hi there

have you tried starting using WOT method? http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=Problems;action=display;num=1195255128

make sure it works first using a warm engine.

is it any better? do you still get a noise with a warm engine?

hth

Title: Re: Timing Chain RATTLES like HELL (Cold)
Post by grandadman on Nov 23^rd, 2007, 2:43pm

do you still get a noise with a warm engine? - NEVER! only low 2-3 oC
didn'nt get it in Sept or Oct :-/ just a slight 1 sec rattle of the chain.

Title: Re: Timing Chain RATTLES like HELL (Cold)
Post by dan_the_man on Nov 23^rd, 2007, 5:00pm

just used the WOT method to start my bus ... :o I'm loving it ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Timing Chain RATTLES like HELL (Cold)
Post by Dave on Nov 23^rd, 2007, 8:26pm

What oil are you using grandadman?

Title: Re: Timing Chain RATTLES like HELL (Cold)
Post by grandadman on Nov 23^rd, 2007, 9:26pm

God knows!! its what was in when I bought the car, 14/09/2007 and which hadn't been looked after by the previous owner , It pretty BLACK!
I have a Ford Oil filter waiting for me at my Ford parts supplier...

What oil would you recommend ??? btw wot does WOT mean ???

Title: Re: Timing Chain RATTLES like HELL (Cold)
Post by grandadman on Nov 23^rd, 2007, 9:27pm

just sussed it! Wide Open Throttle yeah 8)

I should read these posts properly not scan read [] @

We are into two pages on this subject, so it's a very

popular item [] [] [] [] [] []

Title: Re: Timing Chain RATTLES like HELL (Cold)
Post by cuzza on Nov 23^rd, 2007, 9:49pm

;D try,d that WOT jobby on mine and it works a treat ....mine not run that often ,,,,,,,,but it makes you gring when chain rattles , even a bit ???.... 8)

Title: Re: Timing Chain RATTLES like HELL (Cold)
Post by cuzza on Nov 23^rd, 2007, 9:50pm

cring cring ...i ment cring :P

Title: Re: Timing Chain RATTLES like HELL (Cold)
Post by grandadman on Nov 23^rd, 2007, 9:53pm

Is that Cringe ???

Title: Re: Timing Chain RATTLES like HELL (Cold)
Post by cuzza on Nov 23^rd, 2007, 9:55pm

:D thats it ...more ringer beer in the glass me thinks 8)

Title: Re: Timing Chain RATTLES like HELL (Cold)
Post by Dave on Nov 23^rd, 2007, 10:17pm

on 11/23/07 at 21:26:05, grandadman wrote:

Well, I would certainly suggest an immediate change if you don't know how long its been in there and what grade/type it is.

To be honest, a 1 second rattle in cold weather is something that could quite probably be cured by using a good oil and genuine Ford filter.

Have a search around the forums but IIRC I have read good things about Castrol oils.

Fully synthetic is recommended for the 24v's, but there are caveats.

For example, a fully synthetic oil will clean an engine out. If an engine has had infrequent oil changes and is a bit dirty inside, switching to fully synthetic may make it leak as it dislodges deposits around gaskets. It could even loosen deposits so they shift to oilways and cause blockages :-X

My 24v was a case in point so I use a good Castrol oil, but a semi synthetic brew, and change it regularly.

Comma oil is also meant to be very good, 5w30 IIRC.