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(Message started by: gawsworthboy on Mar 7^th, 2008, 12:56pm)

Title: smokey 2.3 startup
Post by gawsworthboy on Mar 7^th, 2008, 12:56pm

Hi all, just bought a 97 2.3 ghia and get quite a lot of smoke when starting first thing in the morning? Clears completely after about 5 mins normal driving.
Does anyone know of any addatives that might help stop this.....she has just done 100,000 miles and has full service history so I'm putting it down to wear and tear....cheers.

Title: Re: smokey 2.3 startup
Post by scorpio_man on Mar 7^th, 2008, 1:07pm

hi there

what colour of smoke? white or blue?

white is normal for this time of year, blue is bad (burning oil).

hth

Title: Re: smokey 2.3 startup
Post by gawsworthboy on Mar 7^th, 2008, 1:48pm

Hi, mix of bluish grey I'd say...no loss of engine oil so assume it's sitting on top of the cylinders overnight and burning off on startup...how long do you think it will be before the engine gives up?

Title: Re: smokey 2.3 startup
Post by Matt on Mar 7^th, 2008, 7:46pm

you probably have a valve seal leaking which over night leaks into a combustion chamber hence the smoke on first start up, wont be very bad as its not smoking all the time, keep an eye on your oil level, the seal kits for the 2.3 arnt that expensive as it happens

Full head set (including head gasket and head bolts) £70

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HEAD-GASKET-SET-AND-BOLTS-FORD-GALAXY-SCORPIO-Y5B-Y5A_W0QQitemZ4558105895QQihZ011QQcategoryZ21654QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1713.m153.l1262

ive used these guys before doing my cossie and the kits are top notch

Title: Re: smokey 2.3 startup
Post by gawsworthboy on Mar 7^th, 2008, 7:50pm

Thanks Matt....can you recommend someone reliable to do the job as I cant labour myself......really bad back....thanks

Title: Re: smokey 2.3 startup
Post by Matt on Mar 7^th, 2008, 8:20pm

that i cant help you with as i do all my work myself, :(

where abouts in the country are you? some other members may be able to recommend someone

Title: Re: smokey 2.3 startup
Post by gawsworthboy on Mar 7^th, 2008, 8:43pm

Hi again, I am in Macclesfield, cheshire....might attempt myself if no heavy lifting...anyone detailed the job so I can replicate the process? .can I ask Matt....noticed today that the autobox revs really high before selecting 3rd gear...if I throttle gently it doesn't seem to do it so much....fluid is all OK....dya think the box may be failing too? Cheers...Steve

Title: Re: smokey 2.3 startup
Post by Matt on Mar 7^th, 2008, 8:49pm

possibly but that can also be caused my a dirty MAF sensor

if you leave the head on there wont be much lifting at all, but you'll need to re time the engine as you'll need to take the cams out to replace the valve seals.

personally id take the head off and regrind the valves in and you can also have a look at the state of your pistons

Title: Re: smokey 2.3 startup
Post by gawsworthboy on Mar 7^th, 2008, 8:52pm

Yes, cleaned the MAF as it was a bit grubby but same thing happening after cleaning......I've been told that the bands can be adjusted with a special tool...is that correct?

Title: Re: smokey 2.3 startup
Post by Matt on Mar 7^th, 2008, 8:53pm

yeah, i dont know which tool though, ive not messed with the autoboxes yet

may just need new oil and filter

Title: Re: smokey 2.3 startup
Post by gawsworthboy on Mar 7^th, 2008, 8:56pm

Will have a go at the filter change if I can get help....keep you posted....thanks for being there......Steve

Title: Re: smokey 2.3 startup
Post by savvy on Mar 13^th, 2008, 1:06pm

My old 2.9 12v used to smoke hugely on start up on cold cold mornings (and evenings) especially if left over a period of time. Would do it for about 2 minutes until warm and then be ok. Wasn't blue though so I'm guessing was condenstation in my case...

Title: Re: smokey 2.3 startup
Post by gawsworthboy on Mar 13^th, 2008, 2:05pm

Hi, yes....sounds like condensation but mine is blueish colour....looking at valve seal replacement here I fear....

Title: Re: smokey 2.3 startup
Post by tve on Mar 13^th, 2008, 5:30pm

Check up EGR. And is better muffle giving of exhaust gases in a collector.