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conoflex
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water pump leak ?
« on: Jun 30th, 2011, 10:15am » |
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Got a leak on my pump I think, seems to be coming from a small hole in pump (relief valve ?? I can't look myself as i'm disabled now so going on what a mate told me when he looked) no other symptoms except losing about 2 ltrs of water after a few miles.
Any cure for this or is it going to be a new a new pump?
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martin_rowe
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Re: water pump leak ?
« Reply #1 on: Jun 30th, 2011, 12:44pm » |
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will need a new pump to fix, will only get worse, will have to be a genuine ford item as well, they are in short supply. good luck.
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Re: water pump leak ?
« Reply #2 on: Jun 30th, 2011, 12:53pm » |
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It,s very unlikely that anyone would repair it even if parts were available.The 24v pump I'm sure is obsolete,and if you or your repairer obtains one from a factor it will be a 12v one which they list as fitting the 24v,but it doesn't.Much has been printed on here about converting a 12v for use on a 24v,if you check back on the site you will find it,it's rather involved,apart from blanking off part of the rear of the pump,the hose connection is at a different angle.12v pumps are plentiful and cheap,maybe someone skilled could take the bearing and seal out of one and shove it into your body.
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Re: water pump leak ?
« Reply #4 on: Jun 30th, 2011, 7:52pm » |
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It’s not that there’s a problem with pumps from factors, just they supply you with one for the 12v, indeed Ford often do the same.
The picture in that link is for the 12v pump – the price is a good guide, expect more than double that for a 24v pump.
The outlet cranks the other way on the 24V & has 1 bolt hole less at that point.
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Re: water pump leak ?
« Reply #6 on: Jun 30th, 2011, 8:39pm » |
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Found this post from 2008 on the mailing list:
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In an earlier post Grzes suggested the Airtex 1710 is the correct one, the catalogue is here:
http://www.airtex.es/AirtexWeb/catalogo.jsp
Assuming it’s the correct one,
the list of part numbers it gives is:
1453626 (FORD)
1493707 (FORD)
1518114 (FORD)
7334632 (FORD)
9598591A2B (FORD)
959F8591A1B (FORD)
959F8591AA (FORD)
ME959F8591A2B (FORD)
Dave H
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It’s always possible they used the wrong picture in the link you posted but If you look at the part no’s you’ll see they correspond to the 12v ones on the Airtex link.
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Re: water pump leak ?
« Reply #7 on: Jun 30th, 2011, 8:57pm » |
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on Jun 30th, 2011, 1:56pm, conoflex wrote:
That WILL be a 12v pump, a genuine new 24v pump from Ford will cost you at LEAST £150 and thats if they can find one
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Dave2302
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Re: water pump leak ?
« Reply #8 on: Jul 1st, 2011, 10:30am » |
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on Jun 30th, 2011, 12:53pm, gozz wrote:The 12v pumps are plentiful and cheap,maybe someone skilled could take the bearing and seal out of one and shove it into your body.
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That is exactly what I do these days, but you need a press and a hefty "boss clamp".
Makes a good lasting repair.
As everyone said, factors NEVER produced a pattern pump for the 24V, but most of their catalogues incorrectly list the 12V one as suitable for 24V BUT IT DOES NOT FIT.
Been there, done that, got the T shirt 
In fact, if you manage to get a replacement Ford Pump, don't chuck the leaky one, please would you sell me your old one so I can re build it for a spare to keep in the box for my Rally Car 
HTH
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conoflex
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Re: water pump leak ?
« Reply #9 on: Jul 1st, 2011, 10:54am » |
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OK then so i'm basiclly screwed then, there is no one anywhere near me I know that can the 12v mod.
I'm going have to scrap the car then no other option for me. 
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Re: water pump leak ?
« Reply #10 on: Jul 1st, 2011, 11:12am » |
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on Jul 1st, 2011, 10:54am, conoflex wrote:OK then so i'm basiclly screwed then, there is no one anywhere near me I know that can the 12v mod.
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A bit over dramatic possibly...
I'll give you scrap value for it if you want to scrap it
there are plenty 24v's being broken, second hand water pumps ARE available if you don't want to buy/can't track down a new one.
I'm sure most of your local engineering firms would mod a 12v pump for you easily enough if you show them what needs done
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on Oct 17th, 2011, 12:35pm, Simmo wrote:| I give up ! Too much for an old boy! |
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conoflex
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Re: water pump leak ?
« Reply #12 on: Jul 1st, 2011, 1:41pm » |
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on Jul 1st, 2011, 11:12am, Highlander wrote:
A bit over dramatic possibly...
I'll give you scrap value for it if you want to scrap it
there are plenty 24v's being broken, second hand water pumps ARE available if you don't want to buy/can't track down a new one.
I'm sure most of your local engineering firms would mod a 12v pump for you easily enough if you show them what needs done
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Yeah you could say it was a bit dramtic
but have kidney failure amongst other things (Need a car for dialysis treatment and hardly any income now except benefit, not looking for sympathy btw just saying how it is  ) so not a lot else I can do but scrap it/sell it to fund a cheap cheap banger.
No one I know can do or are willing to do the mod a 12v one, so unless I can sorce a second hand one it's got to go.
As a matter of interest what IS scrap value atm ? I got no idea of prices lately.
OH and Thanks Dave H & Tompion trying this now.
Andy
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Re: water pump leak ?
« Reply #13 on: Jul 1st, 2011, 1:47pm » |
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hi there
GSF Car Parts LTD is the distributer for the replacement pumps (airtex 1710).
they should be able to order one in for you.
hth
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Re: water pump leak ?
« Reply #14 on: Jul 1st, 2011, 1:48pm » |
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£20!
you should be looking at around £220 for a full Scorpio but it will be worth a lot more if you can break it for parts or even let people remove their own parts?
is there much else wrong with the car?
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on Oct 17th, 2011, 12:35pm, Simmo wrote:| I give up ! Too much for an old boy! |
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Dave2302
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Re: water pump leak ?
« Reply #15 on: Jul 2nd, 2011, 9:48am » |
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on Jul 1st, 2011, 10:54am, conoflex wrote:OK then so i'm basiclly screwed then, there is no one anywhere near me I know that can the 12v mod.
I'm going have to scrap the car then no other option for me. |
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Understand your problems, but it really isn't that dramatic.
Post the old pump and a new 12V one to me and I'll rebuild it for you and post it back
HTH
Dave
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conoflex
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Re: water pump leak ?
« Reply #16 on: Jul 2nd, 2011, 12:34pm » |
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on Jul 1st, 2011, 1:47pm, scorpio_man wrote:
hi there
GSF Car Parts LTD is the distributer for the replacement pumps (airtex 1710).
they should be able to order one in for you.
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Thanks will try that.
on Jul 1st, 2011, 1:48pm, Highlander wrote:£20!
you should be looking at around £220 for a full Scorpio but it will be worth a lot more if you can break it for parts or even let people remove their own parts?
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Nice one Stu!!
I'll deliver it as well if you like for £20.00
Nope absolutely nothing and everything works too!
on Jul 2nd, 2011, 9:48am, Dave2302 wrote:
Understand your problems, but it really isn't that dramatic.
Post the old pump and a new 12V one to me and I'll rebuild it for you and post it back
HTH
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WOW!! thanks very much Dave, i'm waiting for an e-mail back off someone I have contacted who might have a new one but till Tuesday.
So I might get back to you then if nothing else turns up.
Many many thanks for this offer.
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Re: water pump leak ?
« Reply #17 on: Jul 2nd, 2011, 11:09pm » |
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Hope you get one ok, if not let me know and i'll do it for you.
If you do get a new one, don't forget I'll buy the old one and pay the postage
I'm lookng for a "core" unit to rebuild for myself to go in the "spares crate" for my Rally Car
Cheers Dave
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conoflex
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Re: water pump leak ?
« Reply #18 on: Jul 3rd, 2011, 11:10am » |
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on Jul 2nd, 2011, 11:09pm, Dave2302 wrote:Hope you get one ok, if not let me know and i'll do it for you.
If you do get a new one, don't forget I'll buy the old one and pay the postage
I'm lookng for a "core" unit to rebuild for myself to go in the "spares crate" for my Rally Car
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Ok Dave, will keep you informed
Had these back from net enquiry but i'm a bit wary about them :
What do guys think ?
Following your recent request, you have received the following quote from:
DEPOT: CAR PARTS 365 (4*)
PHONE: 08714 320907 (10p per min/mobiles more)
EMAIL: barry.c@carparts365.co.uk
OPEN MON-FRI 8AM-6PM & SAT-SUN 9AM-4PM
FORD SCORPIO ULTIMA 24V AUTO ESTATE 2935cc (03-07-199 PETROL RegNo.: R111 AEC
WATER PUMP: £35 12months guarantee [New]
Delivery: £10.00
VAT: £9.00
Total price: £54.00 (Inc. Delivery & VAT)
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QUOTE DETAILS FOR FORD SCORPIO ESTATE 2935 cc 1998 Unknown (REGISTRATION: R111AEC )
# Part Name Warranty Delivery time Condition Price
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Your Quote Reference
FQ005471 Delivery: £0.00
Total Price: £66.00 (including VAT + delivery)
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Re: water pump leak ?
« Reply #19 on: Jul 3rd, 2011, 11:49am » |
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12 months guarantee for £54 delivered..
Take his hand off!
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