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Rear Shocks on a Cosworth 24v estate
« on: May 31st, 2016, 7:28pm »

Not a new subject I know but couldn't find the info I needed so far.
I am getting two Monroe shocks (as suggested on this forum) tomorrow - 40 the pair - and I have been trying to get the others out. I eventually found where the top bits were and moved on from there.
My question is - when you lower the suspension parts to get the spring and the shock out - which at the moment looks impossible even with compressors, do you have to remove the drive shaft from the hub and the roll bar as well to get enough drop to get the spring out.  
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Re: Rear Shocks on a Cosworth 24v estate
« Reply #1 on: Jun 1st, 2016, 12:23am »

I got my shock absorbers out just using spring compressors, fairly easily to be fair. I have previously dropped the whole rear subframe which was a bigger job simply because of the number of connections to seperate (brake hoses, cables, prop shaft, etc.) and the size/weight of it all but still fairly straightforward if your methodical. No hubs need to be seperated, the driveshafts, diff and all drop down as one unit.
 

 

 
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Re: Rear Shocks on a Cosworth 24v estate
« Reply #2 on: Jun 1st, 2016, 8:43am »

You should find ALL the information you need in these pages http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/transgen.htm
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Re: Rear Shocks on a Cosworth 24v estate
« Reply #3 on: Jun 1st, 2016, 8:47am »

Thanks for that but wrong car. Mine is a 24v Cossie estate. I assume the one in the PDF is something else as shocks outside spring.
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You should find ALL the information you need in these pages http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/transgen.htm
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Re: Rear Shocks on a Cosworth 24v estate
« Reply #4 on: Jun 1st, 2016, 8:52am »

Thank you for the reply. I am going for removing the springs and shocks in one go with a combination of spring compressors and allowing the suspension unit to drop down - pivot on it's mountings. My worry is by leaving the diff on the car will any damage come to the universal joints by subjecting them to quite an angle as the suspension unit hangs down.  
Oh, and can you test the self leveling shocks as I can't seem to get them to move ?
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on Jun 1st, 2016, 12:23am, GrahamT wrote:
I got my shock absorbers out just using spring compressors, fairly easily to be fair. I have previously dropped the whole rear subframe which was a bigger job simply because of the number of connections to seperate (brake hoses, cables, prop shaft, etc.) and the size/weight of it all but still fairly straightforward if your methodical. No hubs need to be seperated, the driveshafts, diff and all drop down as one unit.
 

 

 
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Re: Rear Shocks on a Cosworth 24v estate
« Reply #5 on: Jun 1st, 2016, 9:00am »

I have also removed a rear shock absorber from my 24 valve Cossie Estate just using Spring Compressors.
 
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Re: Rear Shocks on a Cosworth 24v estate
« Reply #6 on: Jun 3rd, 2016, 1:02am »

I can't remember compressing the shock absorbers but as it is something you just have to do Smiley I guess I must have and if they didn't compress I'd have found that very odd so I guess they compressed too! I do actually vaguely remember them un compressing themselves now thinking about it.
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Re: Rear Shocks on a Cosworth 24v estate
« Reply #7 on: Jun 3rd, 2016, 1:05am »

While I'm at it, I don't think the driveshafts can hang down any lower than they do in my photo (only support is the diff on the trolley jack) so I don't think they are put under any undue stress being unsupported.
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Re: Rear Shocks on a Cosworth 24v estate
« Reply #8 on: Jun 3rd, 2016, 7:46am »

They do compress okay. It is difficult using standard length compressors  as there is limited space (height). Short compressors are the answer - if you have the tools you can cut a standard set down. Be careful to squeeze the spring evenly so there is no chance of the compressors slipping, then with a bit of wiggiling you can remove the Shock absorber - fit the new Shock and release the Compressors evenly. Job done   Smiley
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Re: Rear Shocks on a Cosworth 24v estate
« Reply #9 on: Jun 3rd, 2016, 8:36am »

The pages I directed ypu to DO give the procedure for removing/replacing the rear shock absorbers on the estate version http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/manual/rearaxle/RearRSpring.pdf
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Estate only
17. Unscrew the shock absorber at the top.

Move the load space carpet to one side and
remove the cover.

Unscrew the nut and remove it with the
washer.
18. Unscrew the shock absorber from the
rear axle crossmember.
19. Remove the rear spring.
Lower the rear axle crossmember and
remove the spring through the wheelhouse.
Install
NOTE:  
Make sure that the rear spring is
seated correctly in the rubber cup and the
guide sleeve in the floor assembly.
20. Locate the rear spring in position.
Raise the rear axle cross

 
The pages I refer to are ALL taken from the FORD workshop manual which was given to us by FORD Europe and used with their permission.  
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Re: Rear Shocks on a Cosworth 24v estate
« Reply #10 on: Jun 3rd, 2016, 8:46am »

I am interested to know where you obtained the Monroe shocks as I have just replaced a pair on my 2ltr estate and I had a job to locate them?.
 
You will be pleased to know that once you have the Monroe's in place they are slim enough to just drop out through the sub frame so avoiding the current hassle you are having.  I had the self levelling ones removed a few years back but a lower bush had gone so I've just replaced the pair.
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Re: Rear Shocks on a Cosworth 24v estate
« Reply #11 on: Jun 3rd, 2016, 11:59am »

Unfortunately, it turned out that they did not have any. So, still looking. I have got the spring and shock out with cut down spring compressors but am having trouble finding out how you test them when off the car. So far - from fords - you can't move them in and out like ordinary shocks but no comment as to condition if you can. I can't move mine so can I assume they are ok. The rubber covers have had it but looking to see if the Steering rack covers that are on the way, do the job. Volvo do a kit for their cars to change to ordinary shocks and springs which apparently improve the handling. Can't find a similar set up for the Cossie but tempted to fit Monroes or equivalent and keep the springs as was done by someone on this site. The springs were really hard to compress anyway. The bushes on the bottom are OK.
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I am interested to know where you obtained the Monroe shocks as I have just replaced a pair on my 2ltr estate and I had a job to locate them?.
 
You will be pleased to know that once you have the Monroe's in place they are slim enough to just drop out through the sub frame so avoiding the current hassle you are having. I had the self levelling ones removed a few years back but a lower bush had gone so I've just replaced the pair.
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Re: Rear Shocks on a Cosworth 24v estate
« Reply #12 on: Jun 3rd, 2016, 4:54pm »

I thought I'd have a check for these and came across a site with alternative part numbers. Some were rubbish BUT This one is not At 20 for a pair I'd bite his hand off. I have just spoken to the bloke and explained that although listed for the Sierra estate they do fit our cars. Smiley Good luck.
 
Update. The advert says picture is for illustration only BUT I have checked and they do have the bar fitting.
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Re: Rear Shocks on a Cosworth 24v estate
« Reply #13 on: Jun 3rd, 2016, 6:30pm »

Thanks for the link. I just bought a pair as at that price, now that I have some idea how to get the originals out, it's worth a trial with the original springs. I just love the work and don't mind doing it twice ! I did read on a Volvo forum that the originals are a bit"boaty" No, not "Boaty Mac nutsfaced" - I mean "Shipface" of course. I do love the program censor - it changed "sh*tfaced" to nutsfaced HuhHuh
Thanks again for the link.  
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on Jun 3rd, 2016, 4:54pm, Simmo wrote:
I thought I'd have a check for these and came across a site with alternative part numbers. Some were rubbish BUT This one is not At 20 for a pair I'd bite his hand off. I have just spoken to the bloke and explained that although listed for the Sierra estate they do fit our cars. Smiley Good luck.
 
Update. The advert says picture is for illustration only BUT I have checked and they do have the bar fitting.

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Re: Rear Shocks on a Cosworth 24v estate
« Reply #14 on: Jun 3rd, 2016, 6:53pm »

Glad you got the shocks. I did not change the springs on my car and I have had no issues. Wink
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Re: Rear Shocks on a Cosworth 24v estate
« Reply #15 on: Jul 12th, 2016, 10:13am »

on Jun 3rd, 2016, 6:53pm, Simmo wrote:
Glad you got the shocks. I did not change the springs on my car and I have had no issues. Wink

 
Thank you everyone for your advice and help. I have fitted the shocks some time ago and all is well. I would definitely recommend the shocks as the ride is good and Wow, think of the money I have saved  Grin
I would suggest that if you have any doubts about your self levelling shocks then this is the way to go to keep your car on the road. I did notice that after you take the shocks off they are a bit wierd as you cannot move them. Ford say that is normal.  
I have pictures which I may put up later.
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Re: Rear Shocks on a Cosworth 24v estate
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on Jul 12th, 2016, 10:13am, Gingerbeer wrote:

 
Thank you everyone for your advice and help. I have fitted the shocks some time ago and all is well. I would definitely recommend the shocks as the ride is good and Wow, think of the money I have saved Grin
I would suggest that if you have any doubts about your self levelling shocks then this is the way to go to keep your car on the road. I did notice that after you take the shocks off they are a bit wierd as you cannot move them. Ford say that is normal.  
I have pictures which I may put up later.

 
Here is the link already posted by member but I suggest you all get these while they are still going.  
eBay item number:
110556446336
 
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on Jul 12th, 2016, 10:13am, Gingerbeer wrote:

 
Thank you everyone for your advice and help. I have fitted the shocks some time ago and all is well. I would definitely recommend the shocks as the ride is good and Wow, think of the money I have saved Grin
I would suggest that if you have any doubts about your self levelling shocks then this is the way to go to keep your car on the road. I did notice that after you take the shocks off they are a bit wierd as you cannot move them. Ford say that is normal.  
I have pictures which I may put up later.

Here is a small pdf about the swap. Hope it helps. Saves an awful lot of money even if you can get the original. https://www.dropbox.com/s/dt3zes787s7dgan/Rear%20Shocks%20details.pdf?dl =0
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« Reply #18 on: Jan 21st, 2017, 5:03pm »

Colin thank you for that.  Wink
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Re: Rear Shocks on a Cosworth 24v estate
« Reply #19 on: Aug 23rd, 2018, 11:15pm »

Late question on Cosworth Estate Shocks.
Thought I'd check that the top nuts were torqued up correctly as have a few little clunks on bumpy roads.  
 
Que 2 hour delay when I find that one of the rear seats is jambed shut and the release button won't work, because a PO had obviously not realised that there is also a locking button behind the seat and had tried to force it. Took a couple of hours working out how to do it, took pictures as could find no thread here on that problem, so will post on how I solved it.
 
Anyway back to this thread, so seats dropped so I can lift estate carpet and get at the nuts at the top of the shocks.  They looked good but thought I'd check the torque on the nuts just in case. OK read all the instructions detailed above but there must be something missing, or I'm thick (could be both) So put a socket on the nut and a torque wrench and the nut turns, but so does the bolt the nut is on which I twigged after about I/2 a turn.  So how do you tighten or untighten that top nut on an estate?   Is there something down underneath that needs holding in order to tighten/loosen that top nut?  The ford instructions referenced above just say undo it or do it up, which obviously just plain won't work!
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