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cossieguy
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Blimmin alarm
« on: Nov 20th, 2006, 1:38pm » |
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Took scorpio into ford for diagnostic checkup and to have system changed to flash indicators when alarm is armed. Apparently my car doesn't have the menu path to enable that function! How annoying, the only way to tell if alarm/car is locked/armed is to stand next to car and watch the inner handles move and wait for pats light to stay on. Has anyone come up with another way of indicating car is locked? Either visually or audibly. On a good note they did find one of my EGR pipes had a split in it which has now sorted my weird idling problems.
Is the only answer to piggy back an aftermarket alarm onto the Scorpio which will flash the hazards and produce an audible tone?
Guy.
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Re: Blimmin alarm
« Reply #1 on: Nov 20th, 2006, 1:44pm » |
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Aftermarket alarms do weird things to a Scorpio!!
I've got a spare 24v for parts and when i went to pick it up the indicators kept coming on themselves and the boot opened on its own (while driving!) 
There was a mod for this but i dont know if they are still available.. maybe someone has a spare one?
I wonder if its possible to wire an audible alarm to the door lock??
Maybe Baz can do it for you
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Dave2302
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Re: Blimmin alarm
« Reply #2 on: Nov 20th, 2006, 2:32pm » |
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Guy,
Your car, and indeed any Scorpio, can be programmed to do this. IMHO it sounds like the Ford dealer couldn't be bothered / didnt know how, as the menu paths are programmed into the FDS and not the car.
Try going to someone more knowledgeable in FDS.
I borrowed the FDS 2000 from my mate at FMD and did it myself along with a few other bits and pieces.
Hope this helps,
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Dave
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cossieguy
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Re: Blimmin alarm
« Reply #3 on: Nov 20th, 2006, 4:11pm » |
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Dave, this was their master technician who told me this. At the time there was another scorp in there and he said he could get that one to change but not mine. Assuming he was telling the truth(And he obviously then knew what he was doing to get one Scorp to change) what would stop mine accepting the new programming? He defo said that mine didn't have the ability to change but the other one did. As the other car was a 97 does the year of manufacture come into it?
Guy
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cossieguy
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Re: Blimmin alarm
« Reply #4 on: Nov 20th, 2006, 4:22pm » |
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Having just read the "Changing ecu" thread it would appear that some early Scorps can't be changed to flash on lock by FDS! If i recall correctly the build date for my Cossie is Oct 95 so maybe i'm one of the unlucky ones 
Guy
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Re: Blimmin alarm
« Reply #5 on: Nov 20th, 2006, 5:12pm » |
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Hi Guy,
Yes I understand the very early ones cannot be done, but I thought that was like very early 95. Maybe you have an early controller module.
My old 12V was a 1995 model (dont know what month), and my current Cossie Estate is a 1996 model. Both of these flash the indicators, although I had to programme the 1996 Cossie myself as originally it didnt do so.
If yours cant be programmed then just swap the CCM for a later one you may even get one thats already done. This swap shouldn't affect the PATS.
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harry.m1byt
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Re: Blimmin alarm
« Reply #6 on: Nov 20th, 2006, 5:31pm » |
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on Nov 20th, 2006, 5:12pm, Dave2302 wrote:Hi Guy,
Yes I understand the very early ones cannot be done, but I thought that was like very early 95. Maybe you have an early controller module.
My old 12V was a 1995 model (dont know what month), and my current Cossie Estate is a 1996 model. Both of these flash the indicators, although I had to programme the 1996 Cossie myself as originally it didnt do so.
If yours cant be programmed then just swap the CCM for a later one you may even get one thats already done. This swap shouldn't affect the PATS.
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Can't the CCM just be sent away for this change in the programming? It would be handy to know if you could work out just by looking at the CCM case, whether it flashes or not. I could get hold of may be six of these modules.
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cossieguy
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Re: Blimmin alarm
« Reply #7 on: Nov 20th, 2006, 6:57pm » |
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Just double checked against VIN and production was Aug 95. Did they throw an early CCM into my car when it was built? Has anyone got an earlier cosworth than mine that will reprogram? How easy is it to change the CCM? If easily done could someone help me out by sourcing me a late fitted one that is either programmed already(On a scrap or currently breaking car) or i can get programmed myself.
Guy.
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Re: Blimmin alarm
« Reply #8 on: Nov 20th, 2006, 8:14pm » |
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on Nov 20th, 2006, 6:57pm, cossieguy wrote:Just double checked against VIN and production was Aug 95. Did they throw an early CCM into my car when it was built? Has anyone got an earlier cosworth than mine that will reprogram? How easy is it to change the CCM? If easily done could someone help me out by sourcing me a late fitted one that is either programmed already(On a scrap or currently breaking car) or i can get programmed myself.
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Changing the CCM is easy. Just drop the glove box out and it is the black cased module with three sockets facing you, which was hidden behind the glove box. It just unplugs and slides out - mine has only two plugs plugged in, the centre and right ones, with a loose plug tied alongside it. August '95, same as mine.
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Re: Blimmin alarm
« Reply #9 on: Nov 20th, 2006, 9:40pm » |
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Hi, have been offered CCM off a 98 Scorpio, can anyone see a problem in it coming of a facelift car going onto my prefacelift? ie puddle lights and any other changes that were made?
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Re: Blimmin alarm
« Reply #10 on: Nov 20th, 2006, 10:25pm » |
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A little more information......
On Sunday I picked up a CCM from a scrapped P reg Scorp. The CCM is dated month(?) 1996 and I have just tried it in my Aug 1995 Ultima 2.9 12v auto.
After plugging it in, the remote would not work so I had to reprogram it (but I had the battery out yesterday to install a caravan supply).
Pressing lock once caused it to lock, pressing it a second time caused it to double lock and then there was a bit of delay before THE LIGHTS FLASHED briefly twice. No flash on unlock and no flash on single locking, but it flashes. The delay to flash seems much less, if I simply press the lock button twice initially, where upon it double locks - before, due to the lack of feedback I was struggling to know just what it was doing.
I checked the foot well, puddle lights and global open/close and they do still work with the '96 CCM anything else which might need to be checked?
Note: I will copy the above submision to a separate new thread in the forum.
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wickedteen
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does any one have any pictures of this ccm and where it is, just to make things easier for the rest of use not so adventurous souls, thankyou
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Re: Blimmin alarm
« Reply #12 on: Nov 21st, 2006, 12:35pm » |
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It is in the glove compartment as Harry says (reply no.Eight). Does THIS help.
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cheers simmo
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wickedteen
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just changed them over, very easy thanks for your guidance, just a quick note, why does the 95 model have 3 blocks going in and the 96 only have 2 blocks, its puzzled me
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Re: Blimmin alarm
« Reply #15 on: Nov 21st, 2006, 4:11pm » |
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on Nov 21st, 2006, 1:24pm, wickedteen wrote:| just changed them over, very easy thanks for your guidance, just a quick note, why does the 95 model have 3 blocks going in and the 96 only have 2 blocks, its puzzled me |
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Mine is an Aug 95 and it only has the two plugged in, with a loose plug (which would not fit the socket), tied alongside it. My original guess on this is that the spare socket is perhaps for interior movement senors as mine does not have these fitted.
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wickedteen
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my 95 is fully equipped the same as the 96
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Re: Blimmin alarm
« Reply #17 on: Nov 21st, 2006, 7:41pm » |
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on Nov 21st, 2006, 1:24pm, wickedteen wrote:| just changed them over, very easy thanks for your guidance, just a quick note, why does the 95 model have 3 blocks going in and the 96 only have 2 blocks, its puzzled me |
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Does the 95 happen to have the interior movement sensors for the alarm fitted and the 96 not have them fitted?
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both of the cars exactly the same, no difference between them at all, both have interior movement sensors
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