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pat
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Hi again folks. Next problem!:- ABS problem mentioned in a previous posting has been diagnosed as faulty ABS ECU. From info on the site, I have established that it is the early one. The good news:- local scrappy has got a 2.9 in. I am going tomorrow to see if it is the same as my 2.0( mine is the same as 'er indoors' 2.9).
Now then, even if I have to buy the whole thing, can I just fit the ECU to avoid having to bleed the brakes? Please say yes! In fact, as always, I shall be immensely grateful for anyone saying anything! Does it just plug into the pump?
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Re: abs
« Reply #1 on: Apr 4th, 2007, 9:16pm » |
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My car has the later ABS so can’t offer definite advise. Hopefully someone will give better advice.
The modulator comes off, but whether you can remove it whilst the pump is insitu I don’t know.
Have you looked here:
http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/absmodulator.htm
The modules differ depending on whether you have traction control or not.
I don’t know if you can use a traction control one on a non traction control pump.
I think if you look at the BBA site mentioned on the link above you can find the part numbers for the various models with/without TC.
Dave
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Re: abs
« Reply #2 on: Apr 4th, 2007, 10:17pm » |
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It took me 2 hours to change the whole unit and bleed the brakes.
Its not a bad job and new brake fluid throughout your system is always a good thing.
Ian
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Re: abs
« Reply #3 on: Apr 4th, 2007, 10:58pm » |
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Modulator is fitted to pump so whole lump comes out, took us 3 hours (to much tea) to change a bleed brakes, def need to do, the yellow crap that came out of my l/h/r caliper was scary but job sorted, hardest part was fitting brake pipes back to pump without cross threading.
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Re: abs
« Reply #4 on: Apr 5th, 2007, 11:55am » |
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Thanks again guys. Just off to scrappy now.
Chieftain:- I am an ex(long ex!) motor engineer. All this electronic stuff is beyond me. However, a trick of the trade with brake pipes was to run a file round the side of the end of the ferrule because when it is tightened, it flares out which makes it difficult to get back in the hole and, as you say, tries to cross-thread. Just trying to help- sorry if I am "trying to teach my Grandmother how to suck eggs"! 
Will report progress on the ABS.
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Re: abs
« Reply #5 on: Apr 5th, 2007, 12:00pm » |
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Tompion:- Sorry, mine has not got traction control(I don't think)
The smiley on last posting was supposed to come after eggs. Told you this electronic stuff is beyond me.
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Re: abs
« Reply #6 on: Apr 5th, 2007, 12:03pm » |
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Re: abs
« Reply #7 on: Apr 5th, 2007, 12:54pm » |
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Pat
No eggs to suck cholate or otherwise  but thanks for the tip, we all can add something to each others knowledge. Good luck with the abs, at least the sun is shining
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Re: abs
« Reply #8 on: Apr 5th, 2007, 1:52pm » |
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Do not use bba remanufacturing for components they do not stand up to their guarantee.
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Re: abs
« Reply #9 on: Apr 5th, 2007, 2:10pm » |
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Yippee- it's the same! Looks new. Off N reg 2.9 scrapped because of electrical fault after lots of money spent. looks mostly intact including tan leather interior, bumpers, lights etc.
Yard prices very reasonable. Situated at Rainworth nr. Mansfield, Notts. 01623-797441. Thanks for all advice again folks. Will report on successful completion.Pat
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Re: abs
« Reply #10 on: Apr 6th, 2007, 12:41am » |
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Changed the modulator on my 2L a couple of weeks ago. Took about 2 hours.
No need to remove the pump.
Full, clear instructions are given on fordscorpio.co.uk. Click on "servicing and repairs". Then click on "brakes". Then on "ABS Modulator.
I don't think there is any chance of a modulator from a 24V working on a 2L. All 24v's had traction control.
Good luck
John
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Re: abs
« Reply #11 on: Apr 6th, 2007, 8:14am » |
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Catalina
How did you manage to do the modulator without removing the pump? or do you mean you did not disconnect it? I followed those instructions and although we were putting a whole complete unit pump +modulator in we felt that it would be straining the pipes to much to try and chnage a modulator, not much play in them anyway. So very intrested in how you did it, ,ore knowledge the better.
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Re: abs
« Reply #12 on: Apr 6th, 2007, 9:35am » |
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Bob (Chieftain)
Yes, It is necessary to put a certain amount of strain on the pipes but it didn't seem to be excessive.
For Pat
The part No. for the controller on an "N" reg 2L can be either:
95GB-2C013-AB orAC. Ford told me that the AC was an upgraded version and is interchangeable with the AB. They're right - I've done it on my 2L!
On my P reg Cossie the controller No. is 95GB-2C013-BB. This has 9 pots compared with only 6 on the 2L. Presumably to manage the traction control.
John
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Re: abs
« Reply #13 on: Apr 6th, 2007, 11:01am » |
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Catalina thanks for that, with my luck any pressure would prove fatal, glad I changed the lot, was driven to that by the smiling man at my local Ford telling me a new pump will cost £1200, so in end cost me about £80 for all parts.
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Re: abs
« Reply #14 on: Apr 6th, 2007, 11:44am » |
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Hi folks. Sorry for the delayed reply. Right-here goes.
First ofall, mine is a M reg 2.0 DOHC 16v estate.
Donor veh was a N reg 2.9 saloon.
Number on my pump is 95GB 2M110 AC. Can't see under module in situ.
Number on new pump is95GB 2M110 AD. Underside of box says Controller DE1 95GB 2C013 AC.
If mine hasn't got traction control(how do you tell?), can't I just connect up the relevant wires to match mine and leave the T/C ones blank? I did take the precaution of snipping the multiplug off the donor veh with a length of harness.
Many thanks for your help and interest again. Regards, Pat
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Re: abs
« Reply #15 on: Apr 6th, 2007, 12:09pm » |
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Pat easiest way to see if you have TC is on the centre console is the TC switch on the left side of the console
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Re: abs
« Reply #16 on: Apr 6th, 2007, 12:21pm » |
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Thanks, Bob. Nope, no TC switch 
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Re: abs
« Reply #17 on: Apr 6th, 2007, 12:29pm » |
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PS. But then there isn't on 'er indoors' 2.9 either. Perhaps the donor 2.9 hadn't got it. 
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Re: abs
« Reply #18 on: Apr 6th, 2007, 1:14pm » |
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Also on switching on the ignition TC light should briefly appear (looks like wheel with dirt being thrown out by wheel spin.) It and abs light wwere reasons I had to change my parts.
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Re: abs
« Reply #19 on: Apr 6th, 2007, 1:32pm » |
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No, nothing like that -either on my 2.0 or June's 2.9. Using the numbers I have given, would appreciate it if anyone was able to tell me whether I should be able to use my existing multiplug with the new pump and module or alternatively, use new unit with its own multiplug, leaving off(if any) extra wires. Thanks again, Pat.
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