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armatec
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well its time for me to ask for your help again lads, can anyone help me on this?
had my scorp for 4 years now so i know how it should drive.. but these past couple of weeks the auto gear box is playing up.... when i start the car, or park it up while shopping for half hour or so the car dont want to go...
put it in drive (or 1 or 2) foot on accelorator and nothing happens.. the rev counter goes up 3-4-5 thousand revs and the car will only inch forward. sometimes after a few seconds it will lurch forward but usually it will inch forward until ive gone a couple of hundred yards and then its normal.
Reverse seems ok, when it started a few weeks ago it was just every now and again, but now its getting more or less every time... pulling out at junctions is a nightmare, pulling off into traffic is terrible...
any ideas? your help is greatly appreciated...
its an M reg 2L auto
kev
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wickedteen
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time for a new gearbox
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TiberiuS
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Re: auto box
« Reply #2 on: Nov 21st, 2006, 7:00pm » |
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Dave2302 is the one to ask, he knows all there is to know about these boxes 
Sounds strange to me, have you checked the level/colour of the transmission fluid and whats the total mileage of the car?
100k seems to be the point where gearboxes start dying but normally you get more symptoms like THUMP BANG on gear changes and dying revs. When it happens does the idle drop? Is the engine straining or does it just idle ok at 800rpm or whatever like you're trying to mount a kerb?
Perhaps miles off but are the brakes ok?
Try cleaning the MAF and see if it helps, may also be an idea to disconnect it to put the car in 'limp home' mode and see if it takes up drive better then.
Regards, Bruce  .
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Re: auto box
« Reply #3 on: Nov 21st, 2006, 8:21pm » |
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my g/box went at 95k, did what you said, started with long (6+ secs) to engage D, then lots of revs, just crept forward, £300 later it had a s/h box.....
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armatec
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Re: auto box
« Reply #4 on: Nov 21st, 2006, 9:01pm » |
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just to add..
the car had a brand new ford auto gear box fitted in 2003 and since then the car has only done 18,000 miles,
i know this to be true as i have the receipt and the work cost nearly £1000, so i wouldnt have expected any serious problems just yet??
work carried out by E J Rose automatics NOT by a ford dealer.
does this change anything?
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Re: auto box
« Reply #5 on: Nov 22nd, 2006, 12:53am » |
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You sure the oil level is O.K, what does the oil look like, colour or any bits in it?
May need a oil change already 
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Re: auto box
« Reply #6 on: Nov 22nd, 2006, 7:56am » |
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hi had a similar problem and a new box, if your gearbox centre is like the one i went to they will be happy to give you a free test on the car to rule out the box and point you in the right direction mine turned out to be the maf. unlike some people think these centres really on the whole are very helpful and do not like getting a bad name David
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Sounds like low fluid level to me too.
Check the level on your auto-gearbox dipstick (the very long one), with your engine warmed up, the gearbox in PARK, and the engine running.
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Re: auto box
« Reply #8 on: Nov 22nd, 2006, 11:33am » |
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Hi Armatec,
I'd check the fluid first, make sure if it is low that the cooler pipes aren't leaking. Also don't keep revving it to 3 grand plus if it doesn't pick up drive by a grand it aint gonna !! You will destroy it in short order !! Remember it may be repairable at the moment, perhaps a valve block fault.
As Eddie Rose did it it shouldn't be a bad job, they have a good name in the auto box industry. My advice is to see if they can help However please consider the following points:-
What everyone must realise is the difference between a New box, Rebuilt, or Re - Conditioned.
A new box is what it says, brand new from Ford in a crate. I would expect a new box to last as long as the original provided it did not suffer any damage during its life due to say leaky oil cooler pipes or electronic failures.
A rebuilt box however has all the normal wearing parts replaced such as sealing rings, clutches, one way clutches, bushes and bearings. However, major parts such as gearsets, casings, shafts, drums, etc etc are all secondhand. They can fail at any time due to fatigue. Therefore its a bit of a lottery how long a rebuilt box will last. In general they should last at least double the guarantee period. Sometimes they will go on for donkeys years.
Reconditioned...... I hate this term, it has no legal definition, and could be anything from a high mileage secondhand unit thats been steam cleaned, to a fully rebuilt unit as above. You pays your money and crosses your fingers.
See if Rose Autos can help you but considering it has lasted 3 years and 18000 miles,and they dont know how its been treated in that period (i.e. it may have run out of oil due to leaky cooler pipes, or done 6000 miles shifting on the red line due to a duff speed sensor) , don't expect them to do it for nothing.
However, they may repair it cheaper for you as a goodwill gesture, I used to do this if I felt it was justified.
Sorry to go on a bit but I hope this information helps you a bit, 
Regards,
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TiberiuS
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Re: auto box
« Reply #9 on: Nov 22nd, 2006, 1:50pm » |
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Well, I had an autobox fluid system empty on me once ('replacement' plastic transmission hoses on the Capri...don't ask ), not a nice experience and the symptoms I got were that it THUMPED about in gear and vibrated like a tractor, no loss of drive strangely enough. Got the pipes fixed and the box was fine afterwards (am I lucky or what ), this happened twice on the same roundabout before the problem was solved.
Are you sure it's not the MAF? I thought this could stop the torque converter locking up and causing similar symptoms or am I off beam?
Can't hurt just to unplug it and see if the car will take up Drive then
Regards, Bruce.
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Re: auto box
« Reply #10 on: Nov 22nd, 2006, 6:05pm » |
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Hi Bruce,
Your halfway there, but not in this case...... The MAF will stop the converter lockup, but it is not the lockup that transmits drive! The converter should stall, i.e. start to take up drive at around 900 rpm. This is a pure hydraulic function and unaffected by electronics whatsoever.
The function of lockup in the Scorpio converter is controlled electro - hydraulically to apply a clutch inside the converter. This cuts out the slipping effect and reduces Engine RPM by approx 100. It does not come in until 48 - 55 MPH road speed, in 4th gear. It is like a 5th speed if you like. To be honest, if its not working most drivers can't even tell !!
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armatec
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Re: auto box
« Reply #11 on: Nov 22nd, 2006, 9:32pm » |
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thanks for all the info and advice , im willing to try anything at the moment , i have a spare maf , and i will swap it tommorow , ill also check the oil level and try contcting Roses,,
ill keep you informed and thanks for all the help
kev
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Re: auto box
« Reply #12 on: Nov 22nd, 2006, 9:36pm » |
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dave, a quick one for you..
if rose autos carried out this work, 3 yrs ago, at a cost of nearly £1000 what work would you expect them to have done for this amount of money
thanks kev
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Re: auto box
« Reply #13 on: Nov 23rd, 2006, 8:47am » |
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Hi Kev,
3 years ago at a cost of a grand I'd expect a fully Re - Built Transmission, (With a minimum of the parts I listed above all changed), a Rebuilt Torque Converter, Plus the Fitting Labour and Oil Charge included in the grand.
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Re: auto box
« Reply #14 on: Nov 23rd, 2006, 9:43am » |
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About 3 years ago a actual new box from Ford was just short of £1500.
A re-manufactured one as Ford call it (REBUILT) was just short of £900.
To be honest it just sounds like you have been unlucky if the oil level is O.K.
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Re: auto box
« Reply #15 on: Nov 23rd, 2006, 10:02am » |
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that sums it up
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